Re: Fw190
 

Me likes the Hawker Sea Fury.

Re: Fw190
 

Good ol' Jackal, long time no see! What you been up to?

Re: Fw190
 

http://www.vectorsite.net/avcfury6.jpg

Tempest on steroids with that luverly Bristol Centaurus engine.

Re: Fw190
 

Ta-152 PWNS you all!

Armament: One 30mm, engine-mounted MK 108 cannon with 90 rounds of ammo, two 20mm, wing-mounted MG 151 cannon with 175 rounds per gun

3 Freaking cannons! Once of which is a 30mm!!!

Speed: Maximum speed 332mph at sea level ( 350mph with MW 50 ), 465mph at 29,530ft. 472mph at 41,010ft. 311mph cruising speed at 22,965ft.

Range 755 miles to 1,250 miles depending on speed and external tankage
Climb 3,445ft. per minute with MW 50 injection
Ceiling 48,550ft. with GM 1 injection

A Boeing 747's service celing is 45,000 ft, almost 3000 feet less than the Ta-152!!!


http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW/TA152-H-3.jpg

Re: Fw190
 

Yes, but the germans were not that kamikaze about it as the Jappanese were :

"A specialist bomber destroyer variant of the FW190 nicknamed the 'Sturmbock' (Battering Ram; der Bock is a male goat or ram). This 'Sturm' version of the Fw 190 was specially modified to attack American heavy bomber formations from short range and from behind. Because it needed to be able to fly through heavy return fire from enemy bombers, the Sturmbock was fitted with additional armour plating around the cockpit and the ammunition boxes, and with extra panels of laminated glass ( Panzerscheiben ) on the sides of the cockpit canopy . These'Scheuklappen' or blinkers tended to restrict the pilots visibility. The armour plating just visible in the photo below had bevelled edges in an attempt to improve airflow but with its all up weight increased by some 400Ib, the Sturmbock had the flying characteristics of a brick . At least some measure of protection was provided for its pilot , hunkered down in his cockpit behind the massive BMW radial engine. Some pilots soon took to removing the upper cowling guns ( the gun troughs, Schusskanäle, being faired over ) and then the Panzerglas in an effort to offset some of the 400 lb weight increase and the corresponding reduction in performance . In place of two 2cm cannon usually carried in the outer wing positions, the Sturmbock was fitted with two MK 108 3cm cannon - low-velocity weapons but with a high rate of fire. The 3cm high-explosive shells were extremely destructive against aircraft at short range, and on average three hits were sufficient to bring down a bomber.

Bacause the Sturmbock modifications had such a deleterious effect on the aircraft's performance, each Sturmgruppe was to be accompanied into action by two Gruppen of standard fighters to fend off the American escorts"

Re: Fw190
 

Yes, the Ta-152 is a beast, I sorta wish the Corsair would be used in the Europe theater vs. all the FW-190 variants (Doras and whatnots).

Re: Fw190
 

Thankfully the Ta-152 came in so late in the war that it had no effect. The first one in service was on the 27th of January 1945 and no more than a few hundred were built.

You think 30mm is special for a plane mounted gun? The Yak 9K had a 45mm cannon (I guess this is an artillery piece lol) firing through the prop.

Re: Fw190
 

fair enough mondogenerator. you win this time, i should have researched it better :type: but the typhoon did have a slightly better turning circle than the early tempests due to its larger, thicker wings :moon: but i spose that with all the other aspects the tempest is better :fistpunch:

Re: Fw190
 

It's pretty nuts to think that a prop driven plane from 1945 (Ta-152) can fly a few thousand feet above commercial aircraft being developed today!

Ta-152 Climb rate: 3,445 ft/min, Max Speed 445 mph
P-51 D Climb Rate: 3,320 ft/min, Max Speed 472 mph

Which essentially means that there is no reason why a Ta-152 should get shot down since it's climbing at a rate of 120ft/min faster, while increasing the distance by 27mph innitially, but the gap steadily increases in speed due to the mustang's performance drop above 25,000 feet. Also lets say for some reason that the P-51 was able to maintain the gap, it would hit it's service ceiling @ 42,000 ft while the Ta-152 could continue up to 48,500 ft.

Is there another propellor driven aircraft that fought during the war that can even match the performance of this beast? What are the specs of the final versions of the Spitfires and Tempests that saw combat?

Re: Fw190
 

Gotta remember the Ta 152 was to little to late in the war. There were not that many built and they were not invincible. Apart from at High altitude (we seriously high) the Tempest V was superior. it would come down to pilot skills most of all but on paper the Tempest V was a faster, especially on the deck where it was unmatched. The Spit XIV and F.24 would give it a run for its money all the way up to 42,000ft but again pilot skill was the key.

Also remember flying at the service ceiling is difficult to maintian and not always a good thing since you burn up allot of fuel while on full power trying to get the height. The advantage of the Mustang and the later war spitfires is they didn't have to worry about fuel cause they were taking of in France and the South of England and had excellent ranges (the Mustang had a ridiculous range) and there engines were top quality made from the required materials. The late was German planes had engine lives of as little as 12 hours and burning there engines up at full power+MV50 would very likely kill the engine even quicker. Also flying at 40,000ft when the combats happening on the deck is also a problem. Losing 30,000ft to join the fight quickly is suicide because of compression. This is why we see virtually no high alt planes over the Eastern Front as most of the combat was at low and medium altitude.