Fw190

[mondogenerator]

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Typhoon being the other. Load the P-47 up with rockets and bombs and drop the 8 x .50al and add 4 x 20mm and I would have no need for a Typhoon.

The Typhoon had issues with its tail falling off in steep dives though (thats not to say it wasn't a tough plane or a bad one)....the Tempest would be my prefered choice there. Its bigger, faster, has a better roll, climb, zoom climb and can mix is up with FW190D9's and A8's and most likely win cause it could turn as well. Its 4 Hispano V 20mm cannons were probably the most damaging guns used in a fighter as well for rate of fire/damage capacity trade off, more so than the 0.50 cal anyway.

[[11PzG]matyast]

In my opinion the FW 190 was a good plane, but it didnt stand a chance against the numerous allied planes.
So yes, it is the tiger of the skies, but as the tigers, these were destroyed by quantity. I once read about 300 fighters(allied) flying in formation.....nothing can survive that....

[Anlushac11]

300 fighters?

later in the war it was not uncommon to see 1000 bomber raids and 1500 fighters flying in formation together. Can you imagine the sight of 2500 planes flying overhead? And you in your littel FW-190 or Bf-109 had to dive through that mass AND escape enemy fighters.

[[11PzG]matyast]

puppyeyes:......This just shows how brave the interceptor pilots must have been....

[Baron_Von_Goofey]

if you are going for realistic characteristics of planes mondogenerator, then i hava a few surprises for you

1. only the first version of the typhoon had the problem with its tail falling off
2. the typhoon could take more damage than the tempest (even the earlier versions)
3. the later versions (1B onwards) of the typhoon could out manouever pretty much anything in the skies, including both FW190's and tempests in the following aspects. it was: faster, has a quicker roll, climb, more powerfull more reliable engine and was smaller than the tempest. not sure how the tempest being a larger target and easily recognisable is a bonus.
4. the germans often mistook the typhoon for a 190 and so were not always prepared for it even if they had seen it approaching.

i could probably find more if i had more time but i dont so this will have to do.




*sigh* glad i got that out of my system. sorry if this came out offensively, it wasnt supposed to be.

back to the 190, i recon the best plane to take out the 190 is the B25 with 2 people in it. even with only me in it i found that its not too hard to take it out as long as you can surprise it and switch between pilot and gunner

[[11PzG]matyast]

mmm...are we talking about a typhoon here? No this is a FW 190 thread...and anyway, the typhoon was designed for ground assault, and the FW 190 was a fighter. The FW 190 could take more altitude then the Typhoon, it was also a bit quicker, with a bit larger cannons....

[Witch Hunter General]

the Typhoon was not designed for ground attacks. It was simply an early failure as a fighter and proved to have alot of potential in the other role.

[Vic Vega]

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Well Im not on the sunny side of thirty, DONT MAKE ME HAVE TO PULL THIS THREAD OVER!

DON'T MAKE ME TURN THIS MCDONALDS AROUND!

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

They were known to breakup if terminal dive velocity was exceeded but any aircraft will come apart if pushed too hard in a dive. And any aircraft will break up if structural integrity is compromised by enemy gunfire.

The rule of thumb that we always went by in Air Warrior was "under 6 Gs over 300mph".

[Machony Leeoun]

Originally Posted by Blistex²

The fastest of all the Bf 109s was the K-14, fitted with the DB605L engine, this was reported to be capable of 455 mph made possible by an engine of 1,500 hp boosted to 2,000hp for short periods. Only two were ever used in combat due to their introduction in the final days of the war.

Bitch!

Thats if it didn't fall apart due to the shitty build quality (due to lack of nazi resources), and alot of its top speed would be using the nitrogen oxide boost as well.

PS- Eat me MG42Maniac.

[mondogenerator]

Originally Posted by Baron_Von_Goofey

if you are going for realistic characteristics of planes mondogenerator, then i hava a few surprises for you

1. only the first version of the typhoon had the problem with its tail falling off
2. the typhoon could take more damage than the tempest (even the earlier versions)
3. the later versions (1B onwards) of the typhoon could out manouever pretty much anything in the skies, including both FW190's and tempests in the following aspects. it was: faster, has a quicker roll, climb, more powerfull more reliable engine and was smaller than the tempest. not sure how the tempest being a larger target and easily recognisable is a bonus.
4. the germans often mistook the typhoon for a 190 and so were not always prepared for it even if they had seen it approaching.

i could probably find more if i had more time but i dont so this will have to do.




*sigh* glad i got that out of my system. sorry if this came out offensively, it wasnt supposed to be.

back to the 190, i recon the best plane to take out the 190 is the B25 with 2 people in it. even with only me in it i found that its not too hard to take it out as long as you can surprise it and switch between pilot and gunner

Ok, where do I start. The Tempest was essential nothing more than a Typhoon refined, reengineered and the result of lesson learned. It had a new wing that was 5 inches thinner at the root which helped dramatically. The thin laminar wing also could house the Hispano MKV cannons completely which aided roll and general aerodynamics. The Typhoon B's top speed with its Napier Sabre I engine (@2200HP) was around 400Mph at 8000 ft and would start to get compression effects at 500mph in a dive resulting in nasty problems with skin coming off and tails disintergrating. Yes the tail was fixed but there were more problems caused by the Typhoons thick wing and general aerodynamic issues.

The Tempest with its Sabre IIB (pretty much the first factory built plane) and then MK IV could acheive upto 435 Mph in level flight (with there 2,420HP engine) and later with the Sabre MkVI could achieve an astonishing 477Mph (the Typhoon could only achieve this in a dive and 23 more Mph and it would start to break up very soon) in level flight compared to 400 at the same atl for the typhoon. So fast in level flight no other allied or axis piston powered plane could catch it and it could catch up with V1 flying bombs.

Also due to its refined aero dynamics and new wing (the bane of the Typhoon)could now travel 820 miles compared to the Typoons 600. Mainly down to reduced drag. Also the wing took on a shape similar to the P47 and Spitfires which also helped with turn and roll. Sydney Camm once commented "The Air Staff wouldn't buy anything that didn't look like a Spitfire." as He joked about why the new wing looked that way. The Typhoons wing was much like the Hurricanes. Thick and not condusive to high speed. Another notable feature about the wing that the total span with 13ft shorter than the Typhoon which further aided roll rate.

As for the engine. The early Napier Sabres were complex and broke often. The Typhoon was really the test bed for that engine which later was refined and bettered with the II and IIb which was housed in the Typhoon but as the Tempest took over as the priority they recieved the better IV (its first engine), V and IV Napier saber engines, Griffon engines (it actually never happened but that was the plan) and later the Bristol Centaurus engine which also was used in the Fury which was like Tempest on Steroids.

oh...as for size, the Tempest was 51 inches longer than the Typhoon. Not much compared with 13ft difference in the wingspan.

Dya want to start talking climb rates now? I don't think so, the Tempest had a massive climb rate compared to the Typhoon, again, due to the wing and extra engine power.

How dya like them cookies? The Typhoon was a great plane but the Tempest was a logical progression of it that refined and improved and was of the greatest piston powered planes of all time.

Sorry for the slight of topic but I had to say something to such comments. If yer gonna get technical back it up please.

Back on topic. I wouldn't want to be a FW190D9 or Me262 with Tempest anwhere near me