I am still on the sunny side of thirty, thank you very much.
And you ought to know better than to flame people constantly, Killor. I expect better of you.
Well Im not on the sunny side of thirty, DONT MAKE ME HAVE TO PULL THIS THREAD OVER!
Vic, I agree that the Zero was obsolete and should have been replaced alot sooner.
The A6M5 Zero model 52 came out roughly the same time as the F6F-3 Hellcat and both were very closely matched in performance, Hellcat had advantage due to much more rugged construction. There wasnt that much of a speed difference and the model 52 had thicker wing skins and was sturdier to allow it to have a faster terminal dive speed. It was also the first Zero to carry self sealing tanks and armor but it was not uncommon for pilots to remove the armor and self sealing tanks for lighter weight and better performance. Also on earlier Zeros the airlerons would get stiff at over 200mph speeds. The model 52 addressed this problem and the problem didnt go away but was greatly diminished.
The point I was getting at was the earlier statement that said the Hellcat and Corsair had advantage due to speed and firepower. And I felt yes Corsair had advantage butthe Hellcat was not so superior. What gave the USN their great kill ratio was after Midway and especially after Guadalcanal the IJNAF was all but decimated. Theyu lost all their best pilots while the Allied pilots got better.
And I'd like to hear more about this "information" of Zero's breaking up in midair? The implication seems to be a design flaw and I have not k\heard of this. Zero's were an excellent aerobatic fighter and I have not heard of structural failures due to manuvering, diving excluded.
They were known to breakup if terminal dive velocity was exceeded but any aircraft will come apart if pushed too hard in a dive. And any aircraft will break up if structural integrity is compromised by enemy gunfire.
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The P51D itself was relativly late war and the A series FW190 was just as good and progressed in development just as well as the P51 series and its certainly not true the P51D outperformed the FW190A's, especially the A8/9. Its was more down to pilots and tactics and German radar not being used correctly. Also by the time the FW190D9, F8, A8 and the late war 109'sG' and K's were about there engines would have an operational life of as little as 12 hours because of material quality and there boost systems.
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The P-47 is a very underrated fighter, but I think that with its 8 .50cals, its ability to take a shitload of damage, and hold its speed in a dive, it was definately a formidible boom n' zoom fighter.
Its a good plane but it was succesful cause pilots used sound tactics again but were talking Bf engine here. Its doesn't matter what flight model is given to the planes in FH you still won't be able to use the P47 as it was irl because you can't climb to 3000 meters in a wing and dive on planes from that height at 750kph in formation.
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And I'd like to hear more about this "information" of Zero's breaking up in midair? The implication seems to be a design flaw and I have not k\heard of this. Zero's were an excellent aerobatic fighter and I have not heard of structural failures due to manuvering, diving excluded.
Theres records of US fighter pilots literally putting a a few 0.50 cal rounds (which individually are not that powerful compared to a 20mm round) into the wing roots of Zeros and them folding up during a turn. No design floor, just Zero's were joked about being made of paper due to there nature. Good early war fighter though.
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All it could do against a Corsair or Hellcat was turn at low speeds, and drivers of the former would simply refuse to be drawn into that, and cut the Zero to ribbons while maintaining a high airspeed.
The RAF did a Spit VB vs Zero test (which is available on the net) and they came to the same conclusion - don't get in a turn fight with a zero. It was noted that the Zero has a high stall speed though which means that a turn fighter could happen but the Spit pilot would need to approach his own stall speed before the zero would have to give up.
The fastest of all the Bf 109s was the K-14, fitted with the DB605L engine, this was reported to be capable of 455 mph made possible by an engine of 1,500 hp boosted to 2,000hp for short periods. Only two were ever used in combat due to their introduction in the final days of the war.
He could very well put this thread over his knees, if he could catch us.
The only person here he could catch is Aeg who wouldn't stop posting to run from the crazy geezer with the big cane
THATS IT MR. YOUR ON MY LIST. Oh yes I have a list...and your on it. (whips out little black notebook and makes rambling noises "...put killor to top of list...").
The fastest of all the Bf 109s was the K-14, fitted with the DB605L engine, this was reported to be capable of 455 mph made possible by an engine of 1,500 hp boosted to 2,000hp for short periods. Only two were ever used in combat due to their introduction in the final days of the war.
I think the P-47 was an exceptional fighter, just didnt have the range to go to Berlin and back. The P-47N would have been nasty as hell.
According to the Book about P-47's in Europe(written by Martin Caidin, name of book escapes me), Francis Gabrseski stated that in a mock dogfight between a P-47D with the paddle bladed prop and a Spitfire mK VB the Spit kept trying to out turn a P-47 which it can easily. But what teh Spit pilot didint know was that the P-47 was one of hte best rolling aircraft of WW2. The Spit would roll onto a wingtip and pull back on the stick only to see the P-47 coming straight at him. The Spit pilot thought the P-47 was out turning him. Also from take off to a climb to altitiude Gabreski said the P-47 came off the ground and started clawing skyward like a rocket and left the Spit behind. Gabreski also stated the paddle bladed props made the P-47 act as if an extra 1000hp was added to the engine. He said that was the single largest improvement that transformed the P-47 from a good fighter to a exfceptional fighter.
Add the legendary durability and the weight of fire of 8 x .50cal and few fighters could stand up to it. Its ruggedness and durability is one reason why it is one of my two referred ground attack aircraft. Typhoon being the other. Load the P-47 up with rockets and bombs and drop the 8 x .50al and add 4 x 20mm and I would have no need for a Typhoon.
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