Fw190

[TommyGunDaliani]

All late war planes were uber, the latest bf109 model went some 455mph as well did the fw190 and the spit late models.

[Anlushac11]

The G and K models were fast but didnt turn well. Problem with the G models and K models were they had gained so much weight the wing loading was horrible but they were definately fast.

[mondogenerator]

Originally Posted by TommyGunDaliani

All late war planes were uber, the latest bf109 model went some 455mph as well did the fw190 and the spit late models.

Its not all about how fast you can go, the Bf109K-4 and the FW190D9 (the two last produced of there types) were fast but didn't turn well but could outdive and out zoom climb most other planes. Probably the most deadly and fastest late war plane, certainly at low levels was the Hawker Tempest but again it had a slow roll and slow turn (relative to a spitfire XIV). The best turn fighters were mostly Russian.

[Beast of War]

Originally Posted by mondogenerator

The best turn fighters were mostly Russian.

That went pretty wrong in FH 0.5 then......

Do not forget about Japanese fighters though.....

[Cochise]

The 190 owned everything in the sky except the late model spitfires. Do a google.

[[21Pzr]Sander LW]

The 190 was alright. I've flowen it and I would definetly take a Spit any day over a 190. The 190 is WAY to easy to lose controll over and slam into somthing. Also I'd choose a BF-110 over a Spit. Call me crazy but im deadly in that plane. The proper rudder, pitch, and yaw controll can make the BF-110 the most bad-assed fighter in the game. Not to mention its extremely accurate and powerful MG's. It's like a B-25 without the added weight. I've shot down Spits in it without any problem because of its very tight turning radious. Then you get the pilots who think...he's on me so I'll out run him in my Spit. Well that dosen't go down well. Infact it goes down in flames...heh.

[Beast of War]

Originally Posted by [21Pzr]Sander LW

The proper rudder, pitch, and yaw controll can make the BF-110 the most bad-assed fighter in the game. Not to mention its extremely accurate and powerful MG's. It's like a B-25 without the added weight. I've shot down Spits in it without any problem because of its very tight turning radious. Then you get the pilots who think...he's on me so I'll out run him in my Spit. Well that dosen't go down well. Infact it goes down in flames...heh.

Historically correct you would be the one going down in flames.

Even the Hurricane outmatched the BF110, that was supposed to be a long range escort fighter. During the Battle of Brittain the BF110 failed miserably as fighters, and ended up flying defensive circles to protect each others ass, instead dogfighting the Hurricanes and protecting the bombers. The Spitfires were less common during that stage of the war and used more to fight german BF109 fighter sweeps that flew ahead of a bomber force, and BF109 fighters in general. Hurricanes were the ones to take on the bombers and their escorts. Obviously since Spitfires had a much better performance then Hurricanes, a BF110 would be even more outclassed.

After the germans realized the BF110 was not suited to be a fighter ( heavy losses among BF110 and the bombers they had to protect ) ) because of it's heavy and slow controls and therefore inability to dogfight smaller and more manouverable fighters, it was used as a light bomber and a night fighter for wich it was much better suited and did well.

The BF110 was not the only german aircraft to fail when faced by enemy fighter presence, the Stuka wasn't suited to operate in such area's neither, as wasn't the HE 111. and Do 17.

[[11PzG]matyast]

Whilst the Stuka failed in Britain, it succeeded in Russia.........so it was a great plane. The Stuka was also economical......Stuka rules

[[21Pzr]Sander LW]

Originally Posted by Beast of War

Historically correct you would be the one going down in flames.

But this being a game its not historicaly correct so what I said is what happens.

[mondogenerator]

I think you have to take into account different models and load outs of the different planes. A FW190 F8 (1944) would probably fall prey to a Spit VB (1941) if it got in a 1 on 1 fight but an FW190A4 (1942) would have no problems shooting down the Spit VB. Also ordanance makes a big effect. If you take a 109k-4 with its default load out its a pretty mean dog fighter but bung a pair of 108 cannons under the wings and its a fast target for a pure interceptor like a Spit XIV or IXe (its main UK counterpart).

As for the 190 specfically, each model made supermarine quickly adapted a Spitfire for it culminating in the XIV. Lets also not forget Russian fighters, the Yak9's, 3's and La7's were formidable fighers. Also there was the Hawker Tempest, pound for pound was probably the deadliest WW2 fighter and could certainly go toe to toe with a FW190D9 and certainly at low levels would could out turn and fly faster than it. It only lacked roll. Also its not really the plane...its the pilot and the tactics that were used. Thats why the P38 did so well even when it was out matched by the Ki-84, its was used by experianced pilots with ultra sound tactics.

Originally Posted by [11PzG]matyast

Whilst the Stuka failed in Britain, it succeeded in Russia.........so it was a great plane. The Stuka was also economical......Stuka rules

It didn't fail, Luftawaffe tactics failed combined with over confidence and thinking Radar was a silly toy for sailors.

Originally Posted by Beast of War

That went pretty wrong in FH 0.5 then......

Do not forget about Japanese fighters though.....

The AM6 Zero was a neat plane but had poor wing loading, it would literally come apart without warning and it had a high stall speed despite its excellent low alt, slow speed performance. Whats needs to be put in FH in the 1944+ maps the a Ki-84 Frank which is an awsome plane and certainly a match for any US plane in the theatre.