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soldier_boy February 3rd, 2004 11:24 AM

Given up on FH!
 
:furious:

That just about sums it up.

It's really too bad but the waiting was just too long. We, my clanmates as well as all members of 4 other North American clans (representing some 150+ players) have given up on Forgotten Hope altogether. We play seriously and were in discussion to create a Forgotten Hope league with prizes for top team, provide servers as well as creating a small fund for the financial contribution to assure continued development of this modification. I have been chosen to communicate the general feeling of these members. This will be my only post as I, as well as the others, have no intention of returning to FH.

Why give up on FH?

Not only was the FH team's unwillingness to share update information very bad judgement it showed a great lack of commitment. Since the 0.5 version release showed much promise in September of last year, many players were eagerly adopting FH as a standard for BF1942. Most, if not all, were quite willing to wait for a impending release of even greater changes and additions. Unfortunately, the lack of any information for the longest time began an irreversible process. Not all people have the time as many of you here to spend on reading individual posts in these or other forums. The FH team's greatest error was not appraising the general public of quantitative progress yet filled their pages with images of their intention to achieve greater quality in the upcoming release. Although this is very noble these quasi-updates cannot replace any assurances of true development.

Yet again, the latest release of this latest update once again shows the confusing nature of the FH team and seemingly incongruent method of updating its product by confusing the people they wish to attract to their work. Although the update is quite welcome indeed it does no justice to those attempting to keep up with the miriad of updates and patches to an already cumbersome modification. Since most individuals already run version .5e it makes no sense whatsoever to release a .5b --> .5f update where a hotfix would perform just as admirably.

Far from assuming a role of unequivocal criticism, let me make it quite plain to everyone reading this that although FH is a great mod, the development methodology is insufficient, ill-organized and quite a disappointment to those seeking to support it. In our case, we were ready to provide significant support, however, in our view the FH team were unable to convincingly provide sufficient evidence of their professionalism.

Best Regards to all.

Mark

Eglaerinion February 3rd, 2004 11:29 AM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
:rolleyes:

Couldn't care less!

dRaStiQ February 3rd, 2004 11:34 AM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Well im glad you said that in a measured and intelligent way, I guess its a shame for the yanks that they are loosing out on a lague in FH as well.
But im sure if you had waited just those extra few weeks until FH .6 is released you would be likely to change your opinion, not only because .6 is looking like beeing a very, VERY good mod. but also because after .6 the devs have said that they are very likely to adopt the policy that the only other mod which has come this far (DC) is using, namely releasing smaller updates with less content more regularly

it has been said by the devs that they have not done this thus far simply because it is not POSSIBLE in the earlier stages (DC didnt do it either). Before regular updates can start a good solid base must be started. FH .6 it seems, will be this base.

Maybe when they get to .7 and are an almost completely new mod, and producing with every bit as much regularity as DC, you will come back.

D_Day_Dawson February 3rd, 2004 11:45 AM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Yeah, seems a shame to give up on FH at this time - I have the feeling now that release will be in a couple of weeks.. ;) Still it's nice to read such a well put together post on a subject that gets many people's backs up.
Hopefully you'll keep an eye on things and possibly return when you see the state of .6..?

NoCoolOnesLeft February 3rd, 2004 11:46 AM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
I dunno, I love this mod but the wait has been VERY VERY long, I can see where this guy is coming from and I understand his situation, if 0.6 was to be released on the weekend or next weekend (hoping agains hope!) or whenever more people will come back to this mod, which is already seing a lack of players online. I just hope it would be released before the community starts to fall appart.
kinda was a little pointless to release a .5b --> .5f patch, seing as all was needed was a quick hot fix and 0.6 is just around the corner (this week or next week corner *hint* *hint* :P).

but u guys are doing a good job, and even though u do post work on the mod in progress, maybe the comunity needs more of a contact.

my 2 cents :)

Myxlminx February 3rd, 2004 11:56 AM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
If what MG42Maniac said in another thread is true, there are many weeks without .6 ahead, guess he won´t be the last to go -_-
(I heard they have found some probs and it won't be out for a while, so you won't be DL for a few fridays)

NoCoolOnesLeft February 3rd, 2004 12:04 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
but he could be wrong right? devs please clear this up...

lumpeh February 3rd, 2004 12:23 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
He'll be back! :lol: They always do.

As said in Waynes World 2 "build it, and they will come"

judge reinhold February 3rd, 2004 12:38 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
wish you could have given up on these forums too :rolleyes:

AegenemmnoN February 3rd, 2004 12:50 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
he doesnt seem to relise that the coders, modeliers, skinners, and whatnot do NOT get payed, they have to do all of their work on their own time.

got it pisses me off when people complain, when they should be thankful that this mod is free, and that the developers listen to what they have to say. it always amazes me how soon people forget that there are people who have to make this mod, an that they can only go as fast as they are able.

meh........

Uncle_Sam February 3rd, 2004 12:53 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

he doesnt seem to relise that the coders, modeliers, skinners, and whatnot do NOT get payed, they have to do all of their work on their own time.
Great, but which mod even requires people to pay?

Admiral Donutz February 3rd, 2004 12:54 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
DC will when its final! :uhoh:

Azik«¤»Blaze February 3rd, 2004 01:00 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Why would you stop playing a mod because of lack of updates?
You people are just plain silly.

Uncle_Sam February 3rd, 2004 01:02 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

DC will when its final! :uhoh:
Yea I have a feeling DC will sellout sooner or later. Probally do like DoD did, and get a retail version.

Quote:

2000 POSTS! W00T.
Nice work.

soldier_boy February 3rd, 2004 01:03 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AegenemmnoN
he doesnt seem to relise that the coders, modeliers, skinners, and whatnot do NOT get payed, they have to do all of their work on their own time.

got it pisses me off when people complain, when they should be thankful that this mod is free, and that the developers listen to what they have to say. it always amazes me how soon people forget that there are people who have to make this mod, an that they can only go as fast as they are able.

meh........

Read the 1st paragraph very carefully ... maybe you might just learn something. That goes for all that don't quite understand why our membership has decided to take this course of action.

el bandito February 3rd, 2004 01:10 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Imagine what'd happen if the FH team had gotten as far as they did in 0.5, released what they called 1.0 and then stated there was nothing more to come because of the time and effort involved wasn't worth it.

We'd still have played it and liked it. Hell, I'd still be playing it.
I'm NOT playing it because of what's to come, I play it because of WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. FH 0.5 rules. FH 0.6 will be worth the wait, but why bitch and complain that you don't have it already - these guys ARE working hard at making something for US for FREE - which we're gonna bitch and complain about after they've given it to us.

AegenemmnoN February 3rd, 2004 01:11 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier_boy
Read the 1st paragraph very carefully ... maybe you might just learn something. That goes for all that don't quite understand why our membership has decided to take this course of action.

so, what about it? i read it again JUST to make sure i got it. i dont see why i need to read it. it pretty much says you would pay them if .6 came out sooner. so what? ya havent payed them yet, so it doesnt really matter.

the key word is "if". "if you would have gotten .6 out sooner we would contribute some money and some other stuff"

Sputty February 3rd, 2004 01:14 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Giving up on a mod a week or two before their next release is kind of, basically, dumb.

BAM February 3rd, 2004 01:17 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
hmmm i dont play fh for like 2 months ago ... i reinstalledf my BF1942 cuse Soldeirs 9 mod screwed it up! and thne i didnt want to install Fh since 0.6 was near ..

General Taskeen February 3rd, 2004 01:44 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Wow, not another one of these threads... Well that is too bad soldier_boy, because while you are not playing FH, I will be.

Mazz February 3rd, 2004 01:49 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Well that is too bad soldier_boy, because while you are not playing FH, I will be.
and loving every minute of it.

Ohioan February 3rd, 2004 01:58 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier_boy
:furious:

... miriad ...

Best Regards to all.

Mark

It's "myriad", other then that, good job with big words. As for the content...

*sigh*

I know. Everything you said is right. It wont fix it though, so I'm forced to flame you. *flames*

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillorLive
I'm just glad in the next few weeks we'll have it.

The problem is, we don't know that. His entire argument is that he dosen't know enough, and I agree. It could take another month, which would effectively drive the final nail into the coffin. A release date would fix this mess.

CrazyWilly February 3rd, 2004 02:04 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Taskeen
Wow, not another one of these threads... Well that is too bad soldier_boy, because while you are not playing FH, I will be.


Well he has a reason to post it even though there are tons of other threads about this. It does have a point though that a good 150 or more people are giving up on FH

The Jackalx2k February 3rd, 2004 02:04 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Too bad. .6 was just around the corner.

You should wait and try it then decide

Also would you people stop believing what MG maniac is saying? Few things I have heard from him were wrong and his thing about "problems" and FH not being out for weeks and weeks is wrong. geez...

P.S. Hi Wazz (woll). Saw you ingame a while ago. :D

B.F. Pierce February 3rd, 2004 02:07 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Obviously he hasn't seen the support leagues have been getting on our main page. It's their loss not ours, we're still going to relase 0.6 and it's going to kick ass regardless of their "support". ;)

PFC. Bryan February 3rd, 2004 02:12 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Will there still be an update this friday?

RObbit February 3rd, 2004 02:15 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
[sarcasm] I dont....know......how to react.[/sarcasm]

MrFancypants February 3rd, 2004 02:46 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
The guy has a point about the little information problem this mod had. But that was changed just a week ago, right?
Let's just keep in mind that it's their first public release and that 0.6 will kick our asses in a few weeks :)

Leo-The-L337-Llama February 3rd, 2004 02:48 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Let's just keep in mind that it's their first public release and that 0.6 will kick our asses in a few weeks
Soldier boy's point is that the public was told ".6 will kick our asses in a few weeks" months ago.

The Jackalx2k February 3rd, 2004 02:51 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
A few weeks add up to months. ;)

Lobo February 3rd, 2004 03:01 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo-The-L337-Llama
Soldier boy's point is that the public was told ".6 will kick our asses in a few weeks" months ago.

Once time again you are wrong, can you understand the difference oficial statement of a developer-fan rumor?

Mister-T February 3rd, 2004 03:08 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Coming soon as HL˛ and duke nukem 4 ever

:D :P

VioLAtoR[xL] February 3rd, 2004 03:09 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
This will be my only post as I, as well as the others, have no intention of returning to FH.

Well. That's pretty dumb. I haven't even got nice words for it. It's just stupid. And 150+ players all THAT stupid? Wow. Great league that must have been. Bet you wouldn't even notice bots there. You are ALL going to leave something you like, because it doesn't get better as fast as you'd like it to?...And stating you won't even come back to look at 0.6? If I were a dev I'd be pretty insulted. No, wait. I am insulted. Theyre turning a ladieda arcade game with little historical value into the opposite, and you don't realize that just takes time?
Someone can ban me for this one, I don't care. This is the second thread trying to ruin my evening. :furious:

StrangerThanFiction February 3rd, 2004 03:13 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soldier_boy
Read the 1st paragraph very carefully ... maybe you might just learn something. That goes for all that don't quite understand why our membership has decided to take this course of action.

I read the first paragraph so carefully I noticed the "This will be my only post" part. I guess you just couldn't resist the impulse to post again eh?:p

If you don't want to play FH, no-one can make you do so. Why you made a "dramatic" announcement about is puzzling, since it is completely unnecessary. In the past, I have gotten bored of various games and stopped playing them, but I have never posted an essay about it.

Perhaps what you really want is attention?

judge reinhold February 3rd, 2004 03:49 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KillorLive
I don't play .5 very much because I'm tired of the bugs, does that mean I bitch and moan about it all day? No. Does that mean .5 rules? Of course not, it's their first public release. They learned a lot of things during all of this, and most likely concurrent versions will not have the same retarded mistakes, which is good.

I know newbies never read threads that they don't start, but in an ideal world, they should all think like this man.

Archangel85 February 3rd, 2004 04:14 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
well, lets face it as it is: if 0.6 doesn't come out very soon, more people will leave FH. And at soem point, a point that soem MC guys have already reached, the devs will simply say "Hey, with no people to play this, why bother?" I mean, just to make the same guys cheer that always cheer on anything? They friggin cheered on a hotfix! The devs make this because they want this mod to be played, so they better hurry up, or it won't be played anymore.

el bandito February 3rd, 2004 04:21 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
And then when 0.6 comes out, people will come flooding back to try it out.

Everyone should stop being a doomsayer - it's so nice that you're all so supportive of the devs, but constantly posting and telling them that their fanbase is going to leave does exactly the opposite.

Relax people, calm down, chill the fuck out.

raslin February 3rd, 2004 04:23 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
People complain that there are too many patches, then complain about a patch that eliminates three others completely?

FryaDuck February 3rd, 2004 04:37 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Complete and utter bullshit soldier boy.

This sort of post has been occurring since mods could be made for games. Some noboby comes in to a forum and posts that yarta yarta yarta. If there was any strength or validity to what he has written he would have emailed the devs direct.

He is also probably shitty that he can't bunnyjump with his sniper rifle in CoD anymore.

I'd worry about soldier boy because he'd sue FH as the door hit his ass on the way out giving him braindamage and squashed his 150 mates.

Leo-The-L337-Llama February 3rd, 2004 05:24 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FryaDuck
He is also probably shitty that he can't bunnyjump with his sniper rifle in CoD anymore.

That's an interesting conclusion, care to explain how you arrived at it?

CamBo February 3rd, 2004 05:53 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
yeah i downloaded this mod when it first came out(i think september 21)

they had it goin good right up untill the hotfix.
then it sucked.
heres a list of problems it created.
-cant prone
-cant crouch
-when in a jeep, mounted machine gun, or AA gun, your boddy would spin around wich was very disctracting because your gun would flash in front of your face
-sometimes when you pulled out a gun you would hold it the wrong way
exmpl. pull out a rifle and you hold the rifle like a pistole or a landmine
-i dont think everyone had this problem but when you tried to prone, bullets couldnt hurt you so that caused alot of rage:furious:
and there were alot more.
and im disapointed they didnt take time to make a patch to fix these things

it is taking them a rididculous ammount of time to get .6 realesed.
ive got a good feeling its this friday! i have heard alot about the realese.
and i hope this mod will not be a Forgotten hope:D

B.F. Pierce February 3rd, 2004 06:35 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
your install was fuxzored. Try to use some reasoning here, if hardly anybody else is experiencing that problem what else would be the cause of it? ;)

Grab the new patch and check for those bugs, I bet you a good amount of money you won't see them, they certainly weren't in the 0.5e that I had installed.

CamBo February 3rd, 2004 06:49 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
well they were for me and it pissed me off and this mod pisses me off and with like 60 members they dont get shit done.
i dont care what you post about that.
come on, its not like im gonna come back and read this

Mazz February 3rd, 2004 06:55 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
this mod has serious potential and ill wait as lnog as i have 2. they release info good enough for me and i dont wine and be a dick about it. hell if i had talent i would join the team.

hey jackal (sardine) and its Mazz :) good to see someone in game though.

el bandito February 3rd, 2004 06:56 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink Floyd
come on, its not like im gonna come back and read this

God it's funny when these damn prima donnas get all high and mighty and then decide that the people who gave them something FOR FREE are below them.

"Who's a prissy boy then? squuuuark!"

Artie Bucco February 3rd, 2004 07:02 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
At least FH hasn't pulled a Black Hawk Down mod and never relased......

]Glen[ February 3rd, 2004 07:27 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Thats because BHD is going to 100% finished upon release...

I play it regulary, and its much better than DC ;)

AegenemmnoN February 3rd, 2004 08:54 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pink Floyd
well they were for me and it pissed me off and this mod pisses me off and with like 60 members they dont get shit done.
i dont care what you post about that.
come on, its not like im gonna come back and read this

how rude! :mad:

dont come here to bash the mod or the staff. they work hard for us. you however, do nothing.

god this stuff makes me mad. :mad:

McGibs February 3rd, 2004 09:08 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
ok... this is retarded...

@soldier:

First off, you make it sound like .6 will NEVER be released. Thats bullshit. Its like 97% done, we all know its been a long ass road, but it does have an ending point.

Secondly, you seem to think that every single FH fan will leave them perminantly, just because the patch is taking too long. When .6 comes out, no one will play it because
"waaah waah, you devs didnt gimmi what i wanted when i wanted it! now I wont download thier .6 just to spite them!"
I can 100% garauntee you that every single person who enjoyed fh .5 will be scuttling to get thier paws on .6, becuase they had that much fun with .5, before the bugs got to them. FH has a very good reputation in the bf community as a good and fun mod, and with all of the road to .6 updates, theres bound to be countless amounts of people just drooling with anticipation. These forums make up a very VERY VEEERY tiny percentage of the FH playing community, and the actions that take place here are unknown to the large majority.

Thirdly, you seem to think that the devs OWE you something. They owe you dip squa, and franky, with your attitude, i think thats what you deserve.

Blehh February 3rd, 2004 09:22 PM

Re: Given up on FH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ]Glen[
Thats because BHD is going to 100% finished upon release...

I play it regulary, and its much better than DC ;)

Can't wait for BHD. If FH and DC are roughly 60-70% done that means BHD should be out by the summer :)


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