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BAM January 10th, 2004 11:12 AM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kämpfer
They were only like 5mm wheren't they? (We should add the Russian counterpart: bed matresses ;) )

:) http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/...5_awilder1.jpg http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/...5_awilder2.jpghttp://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/...5_awilder5.jpg

sturmklinge January 10th, 2004 12:03 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
maybe you can just make the kt what it was irl? a huge immobile heavy armored killermonster? as you can read everywhere it's engine had too few power for this monster. is there no chance to implement this ingame?

btw: i ever had the oppinion NOT to include the tiger II atm, because balancing is too important. i mean there are LOTS of other (more important) tanks not implemented yet. but everybody was screaming for the "cool" tiger II and it was modelled and skinned :/ now there is the problem of balancing vs. realism. pershing may be fine but just for VERY late maps. there were just 200 pershings in europe after february 1945. only ONE was destroyed - not by a tiger II but by a nashorn. at least you can read this at panzerlexikon.de.

i really hope for more early war-scenarios. since the release of fh everbody is focussing on the (very) late war :(

RPGreg2600 January 10th, 2004 12:46 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
I saw a video on the history channel of a Pershing destroying a Panzer IV (I think that's what it was) Showed the guys jumping out of the panzer onto the ground, then the pershing shot the tank again and it killed all the nazi crew around the tank. THe thing burned for 3 days.

Blistex² January 10th, 2004 01:36 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sturmklinge

btw: i ever had the oppinion NOT to include the tiger II atm, because balancing is too important. i mean there are LOTS of other (more important) tanks not implemented yet. but everybody was screaming for the "cool" tiger II and it was modelled and skinned :/ now there is the problem of balancing vs. realism. :(

If a map has a King Tiger, then the allies should have air superiority (like it really was).

If the map happens to be BOTB then the allies should have to fall back to their defensive positions and destroy them with AT-Guns and Bazookas, when the King Tigers are destroyed they then use their Jeeps and APC's to rush the german lines before more KT's spawn!

Just like it really happened (or as close as we can make it in a single map).

Solo4114 January 10th, 2004 02:05 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
I'm sorry to digress here, but that picture of the close-up shot of "Sprockets" made me think of that old Mike Myers SNL routine. "Would you like to touch my monkey? Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance."

Anlushac11 January 10th, 2004 03:09 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGreg2600
I saw a video on the history channel of a Pershing destroying a Panzer IV (I think that's what it was) Showed the guys jumping out of the panzer onto the ground, then the pershing shot the tank again and it killed all the nazi crew around the tank. THe thing burned for 3 days.

You are talking about the Panther killed in front of the Cathedral in Cologne. It was destroyed by a M-26 Pershing commanded IIRC by Sgt Emery.The Pershing gunner switched the gun stabilization on and was lining up a shot as the Pershing charged the Panther. The Panther thought the Pershing was going to have to stop to fire and was caught by suprise when the Pershing fired on it while still moving. The first shot hit the gun mantlet AND DID NOT PENETRATE but ricocheted down and penetrated the turret base and amputated the gunners legs killing him alsmot instantly. The second set the Panther abalze and it burned for 3 days,

Kämpfer January 10th, 2004 05:14 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anlushac11
You are talking about the Panther killed in front of the Cathedral in Cologne. It was destroyed by a M-26 Pershing commanded IIRC by Sgt Emery.The Pershing gunner switched the gun stabilization on and was lining up a shot as the Pershing charged the Panther. The Panther thought the Pershing was going to have to stop to fire and was caught by suprise when the Pershing fired on it while still moving. The first shot hit the gun mantlet AND DID NOT PENETRATE but ricocheted down and penetrated the turret base and amputated the gunners legs killing him alsmot instantly. The second set the Panther abalze and it burned for 3 days,

Didn't you already say that :P

Anyways thanks for some of the info, I didn't know that the shell bounced dow and ambutated the gunners leg. Ouch :uhoh:

=Boche Buster= January 10th, 2004 05:19 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
I agree, dont include tanks in battles that they werent in. If the allies dont have a tank against the KT etc, then give them a spawnpoint where tanks cant access... like thick forest etc.

Anlushac11 January 10th, 2004 07:25 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
I agree, while I would love to see the M-26 versus a Tiger, Panther or Tiger II, I also want a fair amount of realism.

Blistex² January 10th, 2004 11:26 PM

Re: M26 Pershing
 
Armour Values:

Pershing:

Hull Front: 102mm
Turret Front: 102mm
Hull Side: 76mm
Turret Side: 76mm

King Tiger:

Hull Front: 150mm
Turret Front: 180mm
Hull Side: 80mm
Turret Side: 80mm

Cannon Values: (Both using APCBC rounds)

Pershing:

~100mm @ 2000m

King Tiger:

~130mm @ 2500m

I'm still betting my money on the King Tiger with it's slightly thicker armour, better optics and superior 88mm


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