M26 Pershing

[Ohioan]

I like the idea of the tanks randomly blowing up to simulate breakdowns.

[BlitzPig_Machine]

Originally Posted by [CNI]Ohioan

I like the idea of the tanks randomly blowing up to simulate breakdowns.

That's good. I'd prefer the opportunity to get out...but that's just me. I think there'd be a lot of King Tiger whiners if that was the case though....

[Anlushac11]

Originally Posted by BlitzPig_Machine

Yeah...I hope German armor is tweaked in .6...the Panzer IV H is another example of adamantium used in German tanks.

Pz IV originally had 50mm of front armor. And it was Grant and Sherman chow. Germans added a 30mm armor strip to front hull to reinforce it and this made it impenetrable by Sherman's 75mm gun at long and medium range. But if it exposes its side or tail its dogmeat. Thats how it is in the game and thats how it should be. One shot to front of a PzIV doesnt kill it but it does severely damage it. Using the T/d formula the A/T penetrator is not larger in diamater than the the target armor. Step two: It does not posess enough velocity to overcome the difference so it does not penetrate. 76mm A/T round is not larger in diamater BUT it does have the velocity so it should defeat the PzIV's front armor.

T/d is the thickness of the armor divided by the diamater of the projectile trying to penetrate the armor. Assuming the armor plate is vertical, If the penetrator is larger in diamater than the thickness of the armor it strikes then the round should penetrate the armor. If the two are equal then there has to be enough velocity to shift the balance in favor of the penetrator. If the diamater of the penetrator is less than the armor it is striking then the penetrator has to rely on energy imparted from velocity to make up the difference.

This is not a mathmatical textbook theory, it is called a tankers rule of thumb.

[BlitzPig_Machine]

I don't have a problem with the front of the PzIV and I agree with your assessment..it's the PzIVH with it's uber side armor that is, in my opinion, a bit much.

But, this is a known bug...or at least it was.

[Anlushac11]

Originally Posted by BlitzPig_Machine

I don't have a problem with the front of the PzIV and I agree with your assessment..it's the PzIVH with it's uber side armor that is, in my opinion, a bit much.

But, this is a known bug...or at least it was.

Yes the PzIVH had a bug that made it supposedly as tough as the Tiger. The skirts add some armor but not that much and its mostly for protection from Bazookas anyways.

[Anlushac11]

Originally Posted by KillorLive

Well, not just bazookas IIRC, anything HEAT. IE Sherman 75mm HEAT rounds. The skirts whole purpose of being was to make a HEAT round explode before it gets too close and instead of a blasted tank you have a scorch mark on the armor, am I correct?

You are correct. I was thinking bazooka but yes it would work on any shaped charge/hollow charge warhead.

[Master Minder]

i still need few pics of the lower hull (without tracks and wheels, to see the gear) before i can start the pershing

[Kämpfer]

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

You are correct. I was thinking bazooka but yes it would work on any shaped charge/hollow charge warhead.

They were only like 5mm wheren't they? (We should add the Russian counterpart: bed matresses )

[BlitzPig_Machine]

Originally Posted by Master Minder

i still need few pics of the lower hull (without tracks and wheels, to see the gear) before i can start the pershing

Like this?



http://ipmslondon.tripod.com/armourr...cles/id25.html

[FryaDuck]

Lots of pics

http://ipmslondon.tripod.com/armourr...cles/id14.html






They could always include lots of these ubertanks namely the Hetzer;