Re: M26 Pershing
 

but the facts are the facts. blame history.

Re: M26 Pershing
 

i was reffering on facts, and fact is, they did fight in ww2, unlike the is3 for example, so my point is: yes to the pershing for fh :)

Re: M26 Pershing
 

Yes only to the Pershing only the in battles it did take part in. I sense this discussion is going down the road of the "prototype" polish SMG

Re: M26 Pershing
 

Ditto.

Re: M26 Pershing
 

Well in terms of one on one performance the M26 is probably the only US tank that can match the King Tiger. But there were some good Sheman variants that would be nice to have in FH. The M4A3E8 "Easy Eight" is one the M4A3E2 Jumbo is another. The first 20 pre production T26E3's were rushed to Europe in Jan 1945 after the Ardennes scare.(Still called T26 then, in Mar 1945 it was accepted operationally and now renamed as the m26)

A decent (but also late) British tank was the Cruiser Comet, with 100mm armour and a 17 pounder it was able to face Tigers & Panther on even terms. I started coming of the production line in Sep 1944, and in 1944 143 were built, in 1945 985 were built.

Re: M26 Pershing
 

Killorlive et reslin, vous devriez faire un petit passage en france \o/

Re: M26 Pershing
 

The Comet was a very sweet tank and was everything the Cromwell should have been. The 77mm gun was a short barrel version of the 17lbr and fired the same ammo.

My data says the hull was 76mm front and 29mm sides and turret front was 102mm and turret sides were 64mm. But the Comet still had vertical armor and took no advantage of sloping. Meaning that just about any German A/T gun 75mm or over firing PzGr 39 ammo could penetrate the frontal armor at medium to long range.

Basically it was a better Cromwell with a kick ass gun. But I would not want to go head to head with a Tiger or Panther in it. Say one thing for the Germans they sure knew how to build kick ass canons.

If the war had continued it would have been the Centurion that would have gone toe to toe with Tigers and Panthers, especially since the Black Prince was cancelled (Super Churchill with 17lbr). The Brits rushed a squadron of Centurions to Germany in April of 1945 but none saw action, war ended about 2 weeks later. I have never found any indication they ever even saw an enemy tank.

Centurion had 120mm hull front, 76mm front hull side, 51mm hull side rear, 110mm turret front and 76mm turret side. BUT the armor was sloped in front and the turret was rounded and no shot traps. And it carried the 17lbr., later a 20lbr. A/T gun.


BTW I do agree that a Easy Eight Sherman with its improved armor and better cross country performance would be a welcome addition to the game, as well as the Jumbo.

Re: M26 Pershing
 

Correct me if im wrong, but wasn't Firefly able to take out a King Tiger quite easily with shot to side of the hull if it got a chance.. It was 80mm, wasn't it? Does it really need a counterpart, if it did not have one in real life? In my opinion, it need only a clever opponent.

Re: M26 Pershing
 

I Agree :nodding:

Re: M26 Pershing
 

Im guessing the thing about not wanting tank crews to go after enemy tanks was because tanks weren't supposed to be taking out other tanks, they were designed for primarily infantry support roles, it was the Tank Destroyers, such as M10's etc. that were supposed to go after the tanks. Of course I dont think the rule was stuck too very often, but that was the initial intention, hence the reluctance to upgun the sherman. But yeh, it was still a stupid decision.
Harry