Manual re-balancing

[Archangel85]

BFE managed the panzerfaust-issue quite easy:On all converted maps, you get the panzershreck - most guys run around with rifles now, being assault or engineer. On late war maps, thats the way to go.

[Nickram-UK]

I think this tactic is simply cheating and ruins the game, and before you acuse me of just wanting the 'uber power', I always play on the underpowered side as it's more off a challenge. On a lot of servers I find the better players play on the underpowered side, which in itself balances the map.
Also this 'tactic' leads to people tk'ing which also ruins the game and winds everybody up.
Not having a go at you mate, just my opinion

[sempai(be)]

Don't think it's an option to use.
As default I always play Allied unless Axis is undermanned (nearly never)
It makes victory even sweeter when you crush them.
And as for "winning" on pub servers , I don't mind loosing , it's all about having a good time.

[Kämpfer]

Maybe FH should pick up another coder for weapons?

[B.F. Pierce]

Originally Posted by Kämpfer

Maybe FH should pick up another coder for weapons?

Huh? What does that have to do with anything here? He's talking about vehicle imbalances not weapon imbalances

But we already know all of this, this is like the 1000th thread about it.

[Master Minder]

go ahead if you want to do it, the problem is that it probably will split the fh community ...

[Blistex²]

Anyone else notice (generally speaking) that axis players tend to be more skilled and less noobish in their behavior and tactics?

I've seen god knows how many Allied APC's try and run a gauntlet of MG nests, and allied AT units on Battle of the Bulge ptotect one bridge and leave the other wide open. Hell, I've even seen allies with priests try and take bases!

Sure there are aces and noobs on each side, but I think that we need more treats for the "thinking player" to be persuaded to go allied more often.

[raslin]

Originally Posted by ScorpionTBC

Recently, I have attempted while playing to re-balance some of the more horribly balanced maps, such as Bocage or Operation Bagration, by starting on the axis team, stealing the most overpowered item of the bunch (usually FW190), landing it, then letting allies take it or switching to allies and taking it myself.

Now this serves to alleviate two problems - first, the huge problem of axis having too many players on every underbalanced map, as no one wants to be on the business end of all that uber power, by switching to the other team. Second, the disparity in materiel is evened out a bit.

Despite the fact that this huge disparity in the value and strength of the german units vs. allied (even more so than historically speaking, given some of the placeholder units), the effectiveness of german air defenses vs. the ineffectiveness of allied ones, the one-shot-one-kill-every-time axis fausts, inevitably the axis side starts whining and crying and begins tking me.

Now, this poses an interesting ethical question. Normally on balanced maps, this is a tactic that I would never use, as it is a pure exploit. However, on the horrendously balanced FH maps, there is no fair fight from the beginning, and this hardly evens the odds given the overwhelming axis advantage.

The whining seems to me to simply be: "You're taking away some of the toys that we all went to axis to play with so we can wipe the floor with the allies with our big guns and 2 to 1 player advantage. We don't like that you are trying to even things so now we will call you skillless and tk you regardless of the fact that it takes no skill to win as the axis side on these maps."

In these circumstances, is this sort of tactic such a bad thing to do? It isn't as if I can actually even out the huge imbalance on my own. But it sure is fun trying.

-Scorp

First off, this seems very immature. Its not up to you to decide how things are to be balanced, and I agree that your teammates should shoot you if you supply the other team, thats more realistic than anything else. I usually play as Allies, as they usually have a /few/ less players (not half the players, as many people seem to exaggerate).

Second, Major hartmann and the other FH coders are awesome coders, and they are easily some of the best at weapon coding I have seen... However, a new coder never hurt a mod, not really...

[sempai(be)]

Originally Posted by Blistex²

Anyone else notice (generally speaking) that axis players tend to be more skilled and less noobish in their behavior and tactics?

I've seen god knows how many Allied APC's try and run a gauntlet of MG nests, and allied AT units on Battle of the Bulge ptotect one bridge and leave the other wide open. Hell, I've even seen allies with priests try and take bases!

Sure there are aces and noobs on each side, but I think that we need more treats for the "thinking player" to be persuaded to go allied more often.

I mostly see it the other way round, most players are getting drawn into Axis by the Panzerfaust , Tiger , Stuka etc . . . . . . more expirienced players like a little more challenge and go Allied.

But like you said , noobs are on both sides.
They jump into your 105 mm Howitzer yelling "Go,Go, Go ! ! ! " when you're providing covering fire , they rush their tanks into battle without any infantry cover etc . . . . .

They start whining on-line "This map is sooooooooo unbalanced " , "Tiger is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to strong" , "I really hate this map" etc . . .

Why do they just don't leave instead of whining beats me.

[ScorpionTBC]

[QUOTE=raslin]First off, this seems very immature. Its not up to you to decide how things are to be balanced, and I agree that your teammates should shoot you if you supply the other team, thats more realistic than anything else. I usually play as Allies, as they usually have a /few/ less players (not half the players, as many people seem to exaggerate).[QUOTE]

Who is it up to to decide how things should be balanced, if not the players? On the contrary, it is a mature and conscious decision. Up until this point I have always played as allies. How is it not mature to see a generally agreed upon flaw and attempt to fix that flaw through the only means that I, as a player, have available to me?

Exaggeration or not, the axis side (on the unbalanced maps) constantly has more players than the allied one.

Pierce - You do yourself a discredit. If you think this thread is simply a complaint about unit imbalances, then you haven't read it. Since when do you reply without reading the thread?

-Scorp

Edit: Added reply to Pierce