743728

Ballancing

October 15th, 2003 03:40 PM

IHMO the game still need a lot of ballancing.

I know, all the *realism-fanatics* will start and cry "well the damages are how they really were* but making something *real* or even near that does not mean just giving weapons their real damages but goes beyond that.

One thing that cannot be done in this mod is give each side the *real* weaponry and make sure both sides have equal amount of them.
because that is NOT how it was in WW2.

In the invasion of france the german tanks were not as good as the french, yet they won because of better tactics.

Similarly with the latter east and west fronts.
To put it in plain english the allies won with numbers.
The russians would just throw entire corps onto the field wihtout weapons. They would use what the fallen left.

But this cannot be modeld in FH because you cannot say that the teams have to be ballanced, say, 3:1

So the sides have to be ballanced.

Now IMHO the biggest problem is with the rifles.
These suckers are way to powerfull.
Now concider the role they were used in.
These were standard issue
"at least they can defend themselves... theoreticaly"
weapons.
But as we can currently see (just like in DoD) these weapons, when compared to others are a lot more powerfull.
All you need is one hit...anywhere.
Reminds me of the old DoD type-a-gameplay.
Strafe out
shoot => kill
strafe back into cover.

But WW2 was not like this.
The hardest thing to overcome were the MG positions.
The MG42 would mow down hordes of opponents.
The only thing that could get them with minimal risk were grenades and snipers.

In FH?
Rifle:
Strafe out
shoot => kill
strafe back into cover.

Please FH-Team.
!!! --- Tone down the rifles. --- !!!

But still you will also need to ballance the other stuff.
Both teams should have equal chances of winning.
Without requiring that a sophisticated tactic.

As I sometimes use as an example:
"you can see if a weapon in a game needs ballancing... when most of the players use THAT weapon"
And when 18 out of 20 players use the rifles, you know there is a ballance problem.

Thanks for listening
Keep up the good work.
I look forward to the next patches.

749649

Re: Ballancing

October 25th, 2003 05:33 AM

I think you don't have to worry about balancing too much. I bet ya the FH crew will play their mod so much they will figure out a good balance.

749795

Re: Ballancing

October 25th, 2003 09:46 AM

mainy with rifles, just the bolt cycling time needs to be slowed down by quite a bit (to somewhere near what it is in normal bf) and they need to be less accurate when standing (not acurate at all when running)

750190

Re: Ballancing

October 25th, 2003 05:32 PM

Well rifles easily could kill with one shot the main problem is they are too accuarte especailly while standing. Yes the allies won by numbers and yet on alot of maps they have similar number of tanks. The allies need 2 or 3 Shermans for one tiger.

751491

Re: Ballancing

October 26th, 2003 09:47 PM

Agreed. Bolt cycle time (on the bolt rifles) needs increased, moving accuracy needs decreased and deviation time (time after going prone until your crosshairs center and have perfect accuracy) needs to be increased.

751775

Re: Ballancing

October 27th, 2003 07:31 AM

You are SORELY misinformed.

The rifleman and his rifle are what win wars. Not the tanks, not the planes, not the ships. The rifleman takes the ground and holds it.

Therefore the rifle is the primary instrument of war for each side. It is an offensive weapon, not a defensive weapon. And certainly not a "at least they can defend themselves... theoreticaly"
weapons."

And as for the modeling of the rifle in FH, yes the accuracy while moving needs a little work, but the damage and accuracy while standing still, kneeling or prone is just fine.

751840

Re: Ballancing

October 27th, 2003 08:07 AM

That's right. It's infantry that wins a war. Not tanks, planes, ships or other things. All other things but infantry are 99% of the time too busy fighting eachother.

Infantry is always needed to hold a position, attack & defend,...

752220

Re: Ballancing

October 27th, 2003 12:55 PM

maybe reduced accuracy and/or iron sights would solve this, without that "accuracy crosshair indicator"

752239

Re: Ballancing

October 27th, 2003 01:12 PM

This could be cool and could be done. Every sodier spawns only with a pistol (and mayb a knive). Then they rush for the crates with the weapons. If you don't get a weapon, you just go with someone that does and either cover him with a pistol, or wait for him to dying to pick up his kit. Of course ... the Tkers..............

There is a server setting that allows that.... dunno if it can be a map setting though

753296

Re: Ballancing

October 28th, 2003 02:35 PM

You want total realism? Then have tank crews..a loader, driver, gunner and commander, replace your keyboard and mouse with levers, wheels and pedals and with only a 6" x 10" slot to peer through. Have engine rooms in the Battleships or flight crews on the carriers. Have gun crews and MG ammo feeders and...and... well you see my point..realism is great but it's not possible to achieve total realism in a computer game.

Realism is a good thing but only to an extent....balance is key in any FPS. Realism has to come second. I totally agree FH needs to fix many balance issues.