Go Back   GameFront Forums > The Games > Battlefield Series > Battlefield Mod: Forgotten Hope > FH2 Suggestions

Remember Me?

FH2 Suggestions Do you have a suggestion for the future release of FH2? Post it here!

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old December 26th, 2008   #1
I ♣ Hippies
 
[WDW]Megaraptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 8th, 2007
Status: Available
Posts: 1,621
Rep Power: 17
[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day
Default The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

So here's the second installment. I plan to cover all Pacific War armies in time (US Army, Australia, Britain, China, Russia, Netherlands-KNIL, etc).

Springfield M1903



Before the Garand, there was the Springfield. Based on the ubiquitous Mauser designs of the latter part of the 19th century, the M1903 was being phased out in favor of the M1 Garand by 1941. However, in December 1941 the Springfield was still the primary weapon of the US Marine Corps, and would remain so until late 1942, seeing service from Wake Island to Guadalcanal. Despite being phased out of service, Remington manufactured 350,000 new rifles in 1941. Many of these would be passed on to Free French and Brazilian forces.

The gun was chambered in .30-06 Springfield ammunition with a 5-round box magazine loaded by a stripper clip. Like most rifles of its day, it could be fitted with a spigot-type grenade launcher. Most guns manufactured after 1941 were of the M1903A3 variety with a different rear sight.


M1903A1 on the left, M1903A3 on the right.

The M1903A4 sniper variant with 2.2x scope saw heavy use throughout the war with sniper and scout units in the Army. The Marine Corps refused to field the weapon, preferring the M1903A1 with an Unertl 8x scope. The Marine Corps did not adopt the sniper variant of the M1 Garand until the early 1950s.


M1903A1 with 8x Unertl scope

M1 Garand


Marines carry the M1 Garand into battle at Tarawa, Nov. 1943

We all know what it looks like. We all know what it did. We all know how it was the first semi-automatic rifle fielded by an army as its standard infantry weapon, how its ammo system worked, how you had to fire the entire clip before reloading, etc.

The Marine Corps adopted the rifle completely by late 1942. Its high rate of fire proved crucial in close quarters jungle fighting, being far superior to bolt action weapons.


The M1 could be fitted with a variety of bayonets.

The M1 could fire rifle grenades using a special ammunition round and a special spigot attachment which diverted the gas used to cycle the bolt so that the grenade could still be launched. Some pictures from Inert-Ord.net - A Varied and Detailed Display of Collectable Military Ordnance will demonstrate:


M1 Garand grenade launcher attachments


From Left to Right, M11 practice round, M17 fragmentation round using a MkII frag grenade as a warhead, M9 High Explosive Antitank Round (penetrated 2 inches of armor), M11A3 practice round, M19A1 green parachute flare, M22 smoke round, M29 practice round (Korean War era, not used during WW2)


Korean War era picture showing an M1 Garand ready to fire a grenade.

M1 Carbine


Marine with an M1 Carbine on Guam, 1944

First fielded in July 1942, the M1 Carbine was issued primarily to infantry officers, NCOs, ammunition bearers, artillery spotters, and other men needing a compact weapon. Around 6 million were manufactured from 1942 to 1945.

The M1 carbine fired a 7.62x33mm cartridge in semi-automatic mode from a 15 or 30 rd box magazine. Late in the war, the M2 Carbine with select semi-auto/full auto fire appeared, but it was only used in small numbers.


M2 Carbine

M1941 Johnson



A semi-automatic rifle which loaded from the side, the M1941 lost out to the M1 Garand in the contest to become the Army's next rifle. However, in 1941 the Dutch government ordered 70,000 Johnson rifles for the Dutch East Indies Army. The Dutch East Indies were occupied before the guns could be delivered, and they were taken over by the US Marine Corps. About 30,000 rifles would be produced during the war.

The M1941 had good accuracy and less recoil than the Garand, however it had many intricate small parts that were easily lost. .30-06 ammunition was loaded into a fixed rotary magazine which held ten rounds. The magazine was loaded using M1903 stripper clips.


Loading the M1941 magazine

The Johnson rifle was adopted as the primary weapon of the Paramarines of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Parachute Battalions. They would conduct landings at Gavutu in support of the Guadalcanal landings, as well as fighting on the ground in Guadalcanal and conducting raids on Choiseul before being assinged to Bougainville.

M1A1 / M1928 Thompson Submachine Gun


M1 Thompson in use on Okinawa

We all know it, we all love it. The Marines began using the M1928 Tommy Gun in Nicaragua in 1928. However, the Thompson was never a ubiquitous weapon with the US Marine Corps, as it was found that the jungle often stopped the low velocity .45cal rounds before they found their target. The Thompson also sounded similar to the Japanese Type 92 machine gun, running the risk of friendly fire incidents at night. It was used on a limited-issue basis.


M1928 Tommy Gun


"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."--Gen. George S. Patton
[WDW]Megaraptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2008   #2
I ♣ Hippies
 
[WDW]Megaraptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 8th, 2007
Status: Available
Posts: 1,621
Rep Power: 17
[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

M50 Reising



The M50 Reising was rushed into service in 1942 as a stopgap measure for Marines in the Solomon Islands who found the Thompson unsuited for jungle combat but were in need of a submachine gun. The Reising was issued to many junior officers and NCOs before the M1 Carbine was fielded.

The Reising used .45 ACP ammo in a 20 round box magazine. The gun had a complex breech system involving a series of levers which easily rusted in the jungle. This led to frequent jams. The receiver easily took in dirt and the magazine jammed, exacerbating the problem.

The gun was hated and often gotten rid of at the quickest opportunity. Lt. Col. Merritt Edison of the Marine Raiders ordered his unit to throw their Reisings into a river and find better weapons. The weapon was quickly phased out in favor of the M1 Carbine. Many Reisings were sent home to equip police forces guarding strategic assets on the home front. Incidentally, outside of the jungle conditions the Reising's internal workings worked well, and this led to the weapon being used by police forces for many years after the war.

The M55 was a version with a folding stock was issued to Paramarines, however, the cheap stock folded under pressure and the guns were quickly withdrawn from service.


M55 Reising


Navajo code talkers on Bougainville. Second man from the right has an M50 Reising.

M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle



Another ubiquitous weapon, the M1918 had a reputation as a "long range bullet sprayer" and it was heavily used in the Pacific for both its rate of fire and stopping power. The point and tail men of a jungle patrol were commonly equipped with the BAR. The Marine Corps typically issued two BARs for each infantry squad.

The M1918 fired .30-06 rounds from a 20 round box magazine. Fire was selectable between auto and semi-auto. The gun could be fitted with a bipod.

M1941 Johnson Light Machine Gun



Based on the M1941 Johnson Rifle, the Johnson LMG saw similar limited use, with only 9,500 being produced. The gun featured an adjustable rate of fire from 200 to 600 RPM. The weapon fired .30-06 rounds from a 20 round side feeding magazine. The weapon had a very low recoil due to the in-line stock design.

The gun was not widely adopted. The Dutch government had placed orders before the Japanese invasion that were never filled, and the surplus guns were delivered to the US Marine Corps, where they were used to equip Paramarines units, where they were used alongside the M1941 Johnson Rifle.


Marine with the M1941 in 1943

Browning M1917 Machine Gun



Originally designed for use in World War 1, the M1917 water-cooled .30cal machine gun was still in use during the Second World War and into the Korean and Vietnam wars as well. The M1917 was a belt-fed gun, which was usually deployed in a sustainable-fire mode due to its weight (42 kg including tripod). The gun was crewed with four men: The gunner, assistant, and two men to carry water and ammunition.


Marines use the M1917 during the Battle of Cape Gloucester, Jan 1 1944

The M1917 could also be used as an anti-aircraft gun with a special sight.


Norwegian troops using the M1917 as an antiaircraft gun outside Narvik, 1940

Browning M1919 Machine Gun



The air-cooled variant of the M1917, the M1919 .30cal was used in aircraft, on vehicles and as a tripod mounted machine gun. It was served with a crew of two, a gunner and an ammo assistant. A highly effective weapon, the M1919 had a maximum range of 1500 yards and a rate of fire of 600 RPM.


Marines use the M1919A4 on Roi-Namur Island, February 1944

AN/M2 Stinger



The M1919 was sometimes field modified to be bipod-portable with the stock of a BAR 1918. The gun was modified to an ROF of 1200-1400 RPM.

M1 Flamethrower



The M1 Flamethrower was first fielded in early 1942 by Army and Marine Corps units. Around 14,000 were manufactured. The weapon had enough fuel for around 10 seconds of continuous burn, or 5 2-second bursts.

The M1 was operated by two men, one who operated the device and another who opened the valves to allow the weapon to fire. The M1 had an electric ignition which sometimes failed to ignite.

Flamethrowers were heavily used by American forces during the Pacific War to clear Japanese pillboxes and defensive positions.

"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."--Gen. George S. Patton
[WDW]Megaraptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2008   #3
I ♣ Hippies
 
[WDW]Megaraptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 8th, 2007
Status: Available
Posts: 1,621
Rep Power: 17
[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

M2-2 Flamethrower



The M2-2 flamethrower was an improvement over the M1. The M2 weighed 68 lbs filled, carried 4 gallons of fuel and had a burn time of 10-20 seconds and a range of 20-40 yards. Ignition was provided by a system of blank cartridges firing in a cylinder.

The M2-2 was introduced in 1944. It was extremely common, with each Marine infantry squad receiving one M2-2.


M2-2 Flamethrower in use on Iwo Jima

Winchester M12 "Trench Gun"



For close-quarters jungle combat, many Marines took to using shotguns. Around 80,000 Winchester M12 12-gauge pump action shotguns were purchased by the US government for the Army and Marine Corps. They were largely used in the Pacific theater. The M12 carried 6 rounds in a tublar magazine plus an additional round in the chamber.

Ithaca 37 shotgun



The Ithaca 37 was another model of 12-gauge pump action shotgun used in combat in the Pacific. It had a lesser capacity of only 4 rounds.

Colt M1911 .45cal

We all know it we all love it...generally an officer or pilot's weapon.

M1917 Revolver .45cal


Smith & Wesson M10 Revolver .38 Special


These guns were pretty much THE handguns in the USA in the 1940s. No need to dwell on these six-shooters except to note that officers sometimes preferred them to the M1911.

M1 Bazooka



The famous M1 Bazooka was first used in the North Africa campaign in late 1942. The Bazooka was deployed in the Pacific against Japanese bunkers and tanks. Early Bazookas had problems with moisture and humidity, however these were overcome with the M1A1. Lack of enemy armor limited the deployment of the Bazooka in the Pacific.

The Bazooka was crewed by two men, one to fire and one to load.


A Marine Bazooka team which has just knocked out two Japanese tanks on Saipan, June 16, 1944.

Mk II Fragmentation Grenade



The "Pineapple of Death" containing 2oz of TNT. Early models issued in the Pacific were painted yellow because they thought it would better camouflage them in a jungle environment.

Other hand grenades such as smoke and white phosphorous were deployed as well.



Ka-Bar Knife



A knife famous for its use by the Marine Corps in World War 2.

U.S. Marine Raider Stiletto



The Stiletto knife was not designed as an edged blade, the sole purpose of its slender blade was as a fighting knife. It was issued to Marine Corps Raider Battalion and Canadian Airborne units. A rare knife today, it is much sought after by collectors.

"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."--Gen. George S. Patton

Last edited by [WDW]Megaraptor; December 26th, 2008 at 08:56 PM.
[WDW]Megaraptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2008   #4
I ♣ Hippies
 
[WDW]Megaraptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 8th, 2007
Status: Available
Posts: 1,621
Rep Power: 17
[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

Uniforms

The Marine Corps began the war wearing simple olive drab uniforms. By mid 1942, the Corps had adopted the P42 two piece jungle suit with a reversible camouflage pattern, tan/brown on one side and green on the other.




It was discovered that olive drab actually provided better concealment than camo when moving. Camo provided better concealment when holding still.

Because of this it was not uncommon to see the old HBT field uniform being worn alongside the P42 camo:




The Marine Corps used the M1 steel helmet. From late 1943 onwards, the helmet was covered with a cloth camouflage color. The helmet cover also had the reversible brown/green coloration. The 1944 version had slits to allow foliage to be placed inside the helmet. Regardless of which uniform was worn, the camo cover on the helmet was almost universal.



Now for a bit of commentary on weapons.

Most video games do a pretty good job with USMC weapons. They show lots of BARs and M1 Garands. Where they mess up is with the Thompson. There should be far fewer Thompsons and far more M1 Carbines given to Marines in video games. Early in the war (Guadalcanal) the M50 Reising should be used instead of the M1 Carbine.

The most common weapons for Guadalcanal and earlier should be the M1903, M50 Reising and BAR 1918 with a few Thompsons and shotguns. For Tarawa and other campaigns after Guadalcanal, the M1 Carbine should replace the Reising and the Garand should replace the M1903. M2-2 flamethrowers should become common as well.

Also, if special units such as the Paramarines are portrayed, they should definitely receive their distinctive Johnson Rifles and light machine guns.

Well that concludes tonight's presentation on the U.S. Marine Corps. Tune in tomorrow for the infantry weapons and uniforms of the United States Army in the Pacific Theater.

"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."--Gen. George S. Patton

Last edited by [WDW]Megaraptor; December 26th, 2008 at 08:54 PM.
[WDW]Megaraptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2008   #5
Posts are always rough drafts
 
Spencer the Great's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 28th, 2005
Location: Rollag Minnesota
Status: Available
Posts: 555
Rep Power: 20
Spencer the Great is a regular member
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

What about the Winchester 1897 (M97) trench gun?

That guy posing in the uniform freaks me out. How he changes uniforms but remains in exactly the same place makes me wonder if it is shopped.

After performing some side to side comparisons I have reached the conclusion that they are indeed doctored. He does a good job though.

Spencer the Great is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 26th, 2008   #6
Cold meat smells yucky
 
Sir Apple's Avatar
 
Join Date: December 2nd, 2007
Location: U.S
Status: Available
Posts: 2,322
Rep Power: 17
Sir Apple has nothing to be ashamed ofSir Apple has nothing to be ashamed of
Send a message via AIM to Sir Apple Send a message via MSN to Sir Apple
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

Glad to see you got the Johnson in there. I'm going to be anoyed if FH over-looks it once again.

Sir Apple is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 27th, 2008   #7
Jimmy Paterson's disciple
 
Alakazou's Avatar
 
Join Date: April 27th, 2003
Location: Québec
Status: Available
Posts: 870
Rep Power: 24
Alakazou has disabled reputation
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

You forgot some stuff :P


Thompson M1928 with horizontal grip.


Boys anti tanks rifle:


M9 bazooka


US M1917

OI
Alakazou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 27th, 2008   #8
I ♣ Hippies
 
[WDW]Megaraptor's Avatar
 
Join Date: July 8th, 2007
Status: Available
Posts: 1,621
Rep Power: 17
[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day[WDW]Megaraptor will become famous one day
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

I'm not aware of the M1917 being used by the Marine Corps.

Does anyone have any more info on the use of the Boys Rifle by the USMC? I can't find much.

"Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American."--Gen. George S. Patton
[WDW]Megaraptor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 27th, 2008   #9
Requiescat in Pace
 
[130.Pz]W.Fuchs's Avatar
 
Join Date: March 19th, 2008
Location: the Netherlands
Status: Robbing ships, yaharr
Posts: 4,310
Rep Power: 18
[130.Pz]W.Fuchs is someone we should all be proud of[130.Pz]W.Fuchs is someone we should all be proud of
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

Not much results either. According to wikipedia they nicknamed it the Elephant Gun. But there are so many EG's
This is a small text I found, not really clearing things up though.
Quote:
The British Boys Anti-Tank Rifle has the distinction of being the only rifle of its type ever used by American forces, and was dubbed the 'Elephant Gun' by the US Marines who used it in the desperate, early days of fighting in the Pacific Theater of World War II. The Stanchion Gun, as it was originally known, was essentially a large bolt-action repeating rifle with a five-round, detachable-box magazine.

[130.Pz]W.Fuchs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 27th, 2008   #10
Captain of the Gravy Train
 
Captain Pyjama Shark's Avatar
 
Join Date: June 28th, 2007
Location: Ohio
Status: Available
Posts: 1,533
Rep Power: 17
Captain Pyjama Shark is familiar with GFCaptain Pyjama Shark is familiar with GFCaptain Pyjama Shark is familiar with GF
Default Re: The Pacific War 2: U.S. Marine Corps Infantry Weapons

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer the Great View Post
What about the Winchester 1897 (M97) trench gun?

That guy posing in the uniform freaks me out. How he changes uniforms but remains in exactly the same place makes me wonder if it is shopped.

After performing some side to side comparisons I have reached the conclusion that they are indeed doctored. He does a good job though.
Yeah, um, it is photoshopped.

]In memoriam
Unite and Revolt!
April 1st, 2008 - November 10th, 2008
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7498/ubd7933lt2.png



Captain Pyjama Shark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7.







   
 
The best serving of video game culture, since 2001. Whether you're looking for news, reviews, walkthroughs, or the biggest collection of PC gaming files on the planet, Game Front has you covered. We also make no illusions about gaming: it's supposed to be fun. Browse gaming galleries, humor lists, and honest, short-form reporting. Game on!

GameFront Forums - Terms of Service - Top
Copyright © 2002-2012 Game Front. All rights reserved. Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Forum Theme by Danny King (FileTrekker), Sheepeep & Graeme(rs)