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MrPink July 2nd, 2006 02:30 PM

Some for us pilots :P
 
Hey
Well I might be ridiculus or not having information on my desk, perhaps I have missed something when I'm suggestion the following...
I want the view of the pilots to be increased in the sky, down and up and to sides (now I don't mean the look around in cockpit) but the range of the view. Yet the tactic fly high up and spot a fighter far down and dive and blast it before he notice:0wned: is not working very well now, well to some extent perhaps... And it is useless not too see anything futher away than 20 meters. Now you will say oh you cant escape when he sees you everywhere. But where is all the clouds!!! ? now I mean the fat clouds which you can't see through :uhoh: :confused: .
Ok other details, uhm
I love FW 190, but there simply aint any maps with it! well TDP only plays certain maps 24/7 :o "cough" Omaha/Tobruk/Ramelle/etc etc
But FW 190 also has the worst vertical ruder in the game, good speed and spin though + armament.
Improve vert ruder! :deal:
Ok think that was all, unless you can change annoying players taking planes and then crashes 10 sec later plane spawn 5 min!!!:moon:
:bawl:
Hhehe comment plx

wjlaslo July 2nd, 2006 02:50 PM

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Well on Midway there are clouds, but not the kind you're talking about. I don't really pilot much, I'm more of your nemisis: a tanker

Safe-Keeper July 2nd, 2006 03:51 PM

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I want the view of the pilots to be increased in the sky, down and up and to sides (now I don't mean the look around in cockpit) but the range of the view.
I know what you mean, but I don't think it'll make it in as it's not that realistic. If anything, I have a feeling visibility will be even worse as the nose-cam is getting euthanised. I'd actually like it if you could maybe see the top of your oxygen mask and some of your helmet when in first-person view?
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now I mean the fat clouds which you can't see through :uhoh: :confused: .
Clouds should be in. Just 2D surfaces up in the sky with opaque-to-transparent surfaces.

Wali July 2nd, 2006 04:36 PM

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It sort of seems like your train of thought fell off a cliff on this one- or maybe I just can't follow it.

Hawk_345 July 3rd, 2006 06:51 AM

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I think that big clouds should be added maybe they could even move a bit on projected track and even block the sun on some maps to make it dark, woulden't that be great.

On the note of plane views, i agree you should be able to see farther, but lets face it, in real life you have the whole sky to look at if you take the time to look around on a game map you go outside the area limit. It just does not seem a prority unless the maps become larger.

stylie July 3rd, 2006 08:07 AM

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I know that flying a plane is definietly the most limited vehicle IMHO. The caveat here is that the person you are flying against has the same limitations as you with the views external and internal. There are a few matchups that may have disadvantages. Certain planes can "look" alittle further to the right or left, but that is the way its supposed to be. This is a mod. They do the best they can, but to try to get a flight sim from a dice based game will take a long time. If you do want the shizz check out the "Parhelia" video card from Matrox. At one point BF supported the "surround gaming" video card but the idea was nerfed after a certain patch because of complaints. That annoys me to no end. Cause I would have used it LOL. I beleive it is still usable with single player though.

http://img.jeuxvideo.fr/photo/012C000000055875.jpg

Check out this action!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

http://www.techimo.com/photo/data/3/...reengaming.jpg

MrPink July 3rd, 2006 09:06 AM

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OK I am amazed by that set up...but the screens are not flat! :P
Actually the same thing goes for the tanks, you know. Many german tanks at the tundra blasted the "weak" :P T34 from several kilometers easily, and well. Not that imba since it must be harder to hit.

pvt. Allen July 3rd, 2006 09:12 AM

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Even if those screens are not flat I don't htink that many people can afford such config for a simulator.

As for clouds, we can't realy achive other than 2D ones, just consisting of bliboards rotated in different directions. Anyway, it's rather hard to make them look good and not performance expensive at the same time.
Anyway, there are already animated clouds on certain height in Bf2, I'm just not sure if they are set on level from sea or if they are always kept at this distance from player...

Hawk_345 July 3rd, 2006 09:17 AM

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Well that setup looks great but way too pricy for me, anyway i guess my idea about clouds is shot out of the sky, so to speak.

stylie July 3rd, 2006 10:13 AM

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The video cards would be waaay expensive, the crt's and the boxes would actually be cheap. You could pick those kinds of things up all over the place. He could know someone who is retooling an office and has hundres of those CRT's available. Who knows, but you can always find stuff like that.

Komrad_B July 3rd, 2006 10:22 AM

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If you do want the shizz check out the "Parhelia" video card from Matrox.
Ugh... You might be able to connect a lot of screens on this, but you won't even be able to OPEN BF2, let alone play FH without a slideshow. This card is older, and slower, than my granma.

pvt. Allen July 3rd, 2006 10:23 AM

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I wouldn't mind getting some nice flat 21" CRT with some very high refreash rates, it's a petty that they're being driven out by technologically newer, but worse LCDs.

Komrad_B July 3rd, 2006 10:28 AM

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I don't see the logic behind LCD screens myself :confused: CRT flat screens are much cheaper, and still better most of the time. Of course they are bigger and heavier, but that isn't that much of a problem for a damn screen that probably won't be moved more than twice a year, isn't it?

Eglaerinion July 3rd, 2006 10:31 AM

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A more realistic flight model would be really nice but I sometimes I get the feeling that people forget they're playing a Battlefield game. Whether you're a tanker, pilot or like to control a submarine Forgotten Hope cannot change the core gameplay of Battlefield 2 from an arcade FPS game to a hardcore war simulator.

On your point about having a better view, alot of the cockpits had very restrictive views. By pressing control you can by the way look around in BF2, you can't control the plane when you're doing this but it's usefull to spot someone.

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Originally Posted by stylie
The video cards would be waaay expensive, the crt's and the boxes would actually be cheap. You could pick those kinds of things up all over the place. He could know someone who is retooling an office and has hundres of those CRT's available. Who knows, but you can always find stuff like that.

Haha I think the most expensive thing of that setup is the annual power bill.

Fuzzy Bunny July 3rd, 2006 10:35 AM

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Heat, size, power consumption, what more do you want?

stylie July 3rd, 2006 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyBunny
Heat, size, power consumption, what more do you want?

You mean crt vs. flats? Id agree, plus this my home pc. I dont want that big honkin thing. My setup is very clean and sleak and I dont have much room.
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Haha I think the most expensive thing of that setup is the annual power bill.
LOL

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Ugh... You might be able to connect a lot of screens on this, but you won't even be able to OPEN BF2, let alone play FH without a slideshow. This card is older, and slower, than my granma.
Very true. 4x AGP? Bah. I think there is a new one, I did see one that had pci-e but I didnt look into it. For years this was going to be my card, but thay have been so outpaced. I beleive they may have a small unit that works with any vid cards but I havent researched.

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I don't see the logic behind LCD screens myself :confused: CRT flat screens are much cheaper, and still better most of the time. Of course they are bigger and heavier, but that isn't that much of a problem for a damn screen that probably won't be moved more than twice a year, isn't it?
Before yes, they were just too expensive. But now much different. I bought my 17" about three years ago for $400!!! Nowadays it'd be just over $100. Viewsonic makes a 19" with a 2ms response time. Thats phenominal still under $300.

pvt. Allen July 3rd, 2006 11:42 AM

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In my opinion arguments like bigger production of heat, power consumption and size are just silly in most cases. Monitor is not meant to be carried much, the one that has biggest benefits of their size are ones who have to store them, mainly shops. Heat produced by it isn't affecting you anyway, power consumption will be most likely much lesser in comparison to that new graphics card requiring mobo and exterior power delivery with all other new hardware. I don't know how about you, but i haven't heared about people who coludn't afford pcs in times of CRTs jsut because monitor drained too much electricity.
LCDs are rather alternative (very useful in certain cases, I do admit!) wich is more expensive and brings lesser quality for bigger price.

Sorry for going so much off-topic.

Fuzzy Bunny July 3rd, 2006 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pvt. Allen
In my opinion arguments like bigger production of heat, power consumption and size are just silly in most cases. Monitor is not meant to be carried much, the one that has biggest benefits of their size are ones who have to store them, mainly shops.

Uh, I have a ton of other crap to do on my desk besides share it with a massive honker monitor. I'm really glad for the extra space for other things of secondary importance like, I dunno, WORK.

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Heat produced by it isn't affecting you anyway
Uh, I have an office that gets sun all day in an already-warm apartment, plus a full-tower server, plus a PC, plus a laptop, plus lamps (can't work in the dark), plus diverse electronic crap. Every little bit helps.

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power consumption will be most likely much lesser in comparison to that new graphics card requiring mobo and exterior power delivery with all other new hardware. I don't know how about you, but i haven't heared about people who coludn't afford pcs in times of CRTs jsut because monitor drained too much electricity.
Um, that doesn't mean I want a clunky beast that eats power on top of all the other stuff you mentioned. "Hey, this truck is using a lot of gas anyway, let's pour some on the floor just for giggles."

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LCDs are rather alternative (very useful in certain cases, I do admit!) wich is more expensive and brings lesser quality for bigger price.
Um, I paid as much for my 21" Sony LCD (very good buy) as for my last CRT, a 17" Iiyama Visionmaster Pro. You should be able to pick up a hot-as-shit, reasonably large LCD for less than $600. Yes, you can get a 15" CRT for 20 bucks on eBay, but...

Upshot? Nothing wrong with a CRT if you're not bothered about any of the above factors, but aside from that, I'd always pony up for one.

pvt. Allen July 3rd, 2006 02:21 PM

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Your arguments fully support your opinion and you're in one of cases I mentioned that have more benefits form LCD, if it's an office work then it's definately it. I agree with all except power use, it's just not bigger enough imo to be a factor here, besides for all these little 'lessernesses' you get better visual quality, ofcourse on good models.

Greth July 3rd, 2006 05:17 PM

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yeah, how about there be a pilot class to fly planes... and a player gets booted from the class if he crashes it within 10 seconds (at least for a time limit). They can practice flying in single player...

because I would hate getting into a cargo plane w/ some people, expecting the pilot to be at least half decent with transportation, and then crashing and killing about 10 people on the runway because it's his first or second time.

or if you don't want a pilot class, have your skin change once you enter a plane's cockpit to fly it. That might look cool but... useless since I'd rather see more infantry on the field than leather beanies and goggles.

zuiquan1 July 3rd, 2006 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Greth
because I would hate getting into a cargo plane w/ some people, expecting the pilot to be at least half decent with transportation, and then crashing and killing about 10 people on the runway because it's his first or second time.

ahh the memories:cool:


no wait...the kunkers, and c-47 were always empty(except for me waiting on the runway for more people to join in:(

there needs to be some way to encourage people to teamup and actually fly the transports like there meant to be utilized, and not just 1 person get in and bail out over there desired flag...

but I digress


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