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Suntio May 30th, 2006 09:42 AM

Finland guns
 
Then when you are making the eastern front, I hope that you could put an effer on finnish guns.
In original FH, Finland have mosin nagant-rifle.
That must be replaced with m/27 "pystykorva"(used in winter war) or m/39 "Ukko-Pekka"(used in continunation war and war of Lapland).
Luger and Walther be must replaced with L-35 "Lahti" pistole
Maschinengewehr 34 (MG34)

Should be replaced with maxim.
M/26 "Lahti-Saloranta" would be nice too :)
m/31 "Suomi" is the only "real" finnish weapon.


I'm sorry about my really bad english.

snotvod May 30th, 2006 09:47 AM

Re: Finland guns
 
Fine for me, but to give them a puch against the German armor the
kiv/39 "Norsupyssy would be nice too, more an artillery piece then a gun, but can you say no to this?
http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/pstkiv_L39c.jpg
I know i can't!

Soujiro May 30th, 2006 10:11 AM

Re: Finland guns
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltn. Suntio
Then when you are making the eastern front, I hope that you could put an effer on finnish guns.
In original FH, Finland have mosin nagant-rifle.
That must be replaced with m/27 "pystykorva"(used in winter war) or m/39 "Ukko-Pekka"(used in continunation war and war of Lapland).
Luger and Walther be must replaced with L-35 "Lahti" pistole
Maschinengewehr 34 (MG34)

Should be replaced with maxim.
M/26 "Lahti-Saloranta" would be nice too :)
m/31 "Suomi" is the only "real" finnish weapon.


I'm sorry about my really bad english.

The Finnish did use the Mosin Nagant to a large extent. Forgotten Hope was not wrong to have them ulitize the Mosin Nagant as it was one of the most common rifles in service at the time.

Due to my understanding though, the Finns did not use the MG34 as often as they used the DP. I rather see them use the DP over the MG34 or MG42 anyway; this is more historically accurate. However, I would like to see a variety of pistols, specifically the P-08 Luger and or P-38 Walther as sidearms, for the Finnish.

The m/31 Soumi is a must however. Maybe a couple of MP40s from time to time for crews in German tanks, but that's it.

Suntio May 30th, 2006 10:24 AM

Re: Finland guns
 
Yes, Finland did use mosin nagant rifles, BUT m/27 was more common weapon.
Finland used DP very much, because it has bigger clips than m/26 (20 rounds).

Ukko-Pekka May 30th, 2006 12:10 PM

Re: Finland guns
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Soujiro
The Finnish did use the Mosin Nagant to a large extent. Forgotten Hope was not wrong to have them ulitize the Mosin Nagant as it was one of the most common rifles in service at the time.

Due to my understanding though, the Finns did not use the MG34 as often as they used the DP. I rather see them use the DP over the MG34 or MG42 anyway; this is more historically accurate. However, I would like to see a variety of pistols, specifically the P-08 Luger and or P-38 Walther as sidearms, for the Finnish.

The m/31 Soumi is a must however. Maybe a couple of MP40s from time to time for crews in German tanks, but that's it.

In winterwar the most used rifle was Mosin Nagant, of Tsars army, not red army. Tsars armys rifle was M/91 the rifle in FH is M/91-30

Rifles of Winter War:
M91 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv91.jpg About 41% of the rifles used were M91s
M91-24 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M9124.jpg 10% of rifles used
M27 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv27.jpg 22% of rifles used
M27 (used by cavalry) http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv27rv.jpg Less than 1% of rifles used
M28 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M28.jpg 13% of rifles used
M28-30 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M2830_oma.jpg A bit over 13% of rifles used

Finns also captured tens of thousands M/91-30, and thousands of Semi-automatick rifles, SIMONOV AND TOKAREV, these guns were taken in use instantly after capturing to replace crappy M/91

And these antique rifles still in use for some very unlucky units...

M/1895 Winchester: http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M95.jpg
M/1870 Berdan http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/Berdan_kiv.jpg
Navy Rifle M/02 Japanese http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M02.jpg

Note the dates these guns were from 1895, 1870, 1902...

In Continuation war Finns got some more M/28-30
And nearly 100 000 M39 rifles http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/M39_oma.jpg



"the Finns did not use the MG34 as often as they used the DP."

Yes thats true, In Continuation war DP was the most common LMG of finnish army, MG34 was extreamly rare and it would be right to say that Finns didnt use it at all.


" would like to see a variety of pistols, specifically the P-08 Luger and or P-38 Walther as sidearms, for the Finnish."

In winter war Luger was the most common pistol I think, so Luger is a must, in Continuation war Lahti is a must, with Luger :)

Finns used also Nagant revolvers, Tokarev pistols, Ruby pistol, FN high power (pilots used it), Mauser pistol, M/23 CZ , M/35 Beretta, M/19 Beretta, M/1910-22 FN and M/07 Husqvarna :D

It would be cool to have all those pistols :lol:

snotvod May 30th, 2006 01:05 PM

Re: Finland guns
 
Yay, you'd have a 3% chance of spawning with a Belgian pistol!
I like those odds!

Rikupsoni June 4th, 2006 05:14 AM

Re: Finland guns
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iSaloranta.jpg

Does anybody have any information with Lahti-Saloranta M/26 Light machine guns in China?


China ordered 30 000 of these weapons, but only 1200 were sent to China in 1937. Maybe it can be included to the Chinese too.. :D

Ukko-Pekka June 4th, 2006 05:47 AM

Re: Finland guns
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rikupsoni
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iSaloranta.jpg

Does anybody have any information with Lahti-Saloranta M/26 Light machine guns in China?


China ordered 30 000 of these weapons, but only 1200 were sent to China in 1937. Maybe it can be included to the Chinese too.. :D

I have heard that there is atleast one pickture of it in use of Chinas army... :uhm:

Soujiro June 4th, 2006 12:52 PM

Re: Finland guns
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ukko-Pekka
In winterwar the most used rifle was Mosin Nagant, of Tsars army, not red army. Tsars armys rifle was M/91 the rifle in FH is M/91-30

Rifles of Winter War:
M91 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv91.jpg About 41% of the rifles used were M91s
M91-24 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M9124.jpg 10% of rifles used
M27 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv27.jpg 22% of rifles used
M27 (used by cavalry) http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv27rv.jpg Less than 1% of rifles used
M28 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M28.jpg 13% of rifles used
M28-30 http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/kiv_M2830_oma.jpg A bit over 13% of rifles used

Finns also captured tens of thousands M/91-30, and thousands of Semi-automatick rifles, SIMONOV AND TOKAREV, these guns were taken in use instantly after capturing to replace crappy M/91

I am just defending FH's choice on ulitizing the M1891/30 Mosin Nagant. They were not technically wrong by giving them the M1891/30 as a main infantry rifle in FH1.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ukka-Pekka
In winter war Luger was the most common pistol I think, so Luger is a must, in Continuation war Lahti is a must, with Luger

Finns used also Nagant revolvers, Tokarev pistols, Ruby pistol, FN high power (pilots used it), Mauser pistol, M/23 CZ , M/35 Beretta, M/19 Beretta, M/1910-22 FN and M/07 Husqvarna

Heh, the M1895 Nagant and TT30 / TT33 should be easy to include because of the Soviet addition. The FN HP should be included with the addition of Commonwealth troops. If we see the Italians, the M1935 Beretta is a must.

snotvod June 5th, 2006 02:11 AM

Re: Finland guns
 
At least we're sure we're gonna get the Soumi now :p
And by the looks of those other FAW weapons; the Maxim, mp18 and m/26 might be added too


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