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Old April 14th, 2006   #71
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k, Ill get to ED42 as soon as I can,thanks.

Also, they didnt film in Normandy cause of the strict laws, and historical preservation programs, pluss people live there. I think that Omaha beach, is sacred ground and should not be built on. Omaha should be a French National Monument, not a suburb.

According to my book, at omaha, there were:

8 FH Tall Bunkers (SPR)
2 Fire Control Bunkers
2 Radar Bunkers
4 Observation Bunkers
5 to 7 Casemates
3 subterrainian huge ammo bunkers
1 huge tunnel compelx with food storage, barrackses, and mg ports
All bunkers and buildings were joined together by these tunnels.
23 AT Guns
6 found kurmalaufs (STG44+curved barrel)
And more.......too much
Correct, even more but that's useless info for mapper as Omaha sector was quite long, not of a size of the biggest used bf map.

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I've been on the beach, its pretty different. Very flat.
Depends on the place, again, Omaha Beach is not 200 meters wide, it's elevation and cliff formations were quite differing even in time of invasion.

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I cant base my omaha on some old ww2 maps, theyre old, black and white and hard to see.
Yes you can, but use these for placing vegetation, making detailed terrain and placing buildings. For overall terrain form I strongly recommend aerial photos and ground photos done during the war. It's same as I created my map.

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Where can I get a good map, link?
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Search the Internet by Googles or any other browsers. Go to a book store and see if there are any books. Try to fin internet adresses in any publications about Omaha Beach. This is all I can help.

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what should I use for a sea wall? repport? berlinwaterwall? or anything custom i can find?
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What kind of sewall? I think you missunderstood this name. It means just the wall of fortifications on the french cost. Fortifications like: tank barriers, sea obstacles, mines, barbedwires, bunkers, minefields, anti tank ditches, cinder roadblocks, etc...

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http://search.eb.com/dday/art?id=40543&type=A

is this good?
anyone agree that omaha should be a historical place and should not be built on?
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This is only an overall concept that can help you understand how the seawall looked like. For map craetion choose one certain place and find as many photos and maps of that exact place as you can. And yes, Omaha should be historical accurate.

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no, I mean by keept preserved by the french gov as a national symbol, park, etc. People are changing the beach as we know it, and soon in the future, the bulffs on omaha will be nothing more than 30 ft high. and land carved into by house constructors. cliffs might have to be blown up to make way for new houses.

And by sea wall, it was never sand, it was concrete, how would a sand sea wall keep out tanks and infantry? It was actualy a mound of sand in front of a large concrete sea wall, the sand made: the shingle.
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I think they should not build on anywhere that near to teh beach. Americans don't develop Gettysburg into a suburb, do they? So don't develop a beach where 20,000 people died from all kinds of causes. I went to Omaha beach (in fact I think it was Charlie Sector), and I bet the retailers are drooling as they look at the hundreds of square meters for building...

"Victory after all, I suppose! Well, it seems a very gloomy business."
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no, I mean by keept preserved by the french gov as a national symbol, park, etc. People are changing the beach as we know it, and soon in the future, the bulffs on omaha will be nothing more than 30 ft high. and land carved into by house constructors. cliffs might have to be blown up to make way for new houses.

And by sea wall, it was never sand, it was concrete, how would a sand sea wall keep out tanks and infantry? It was actualy a mound of sand in front of a large concrete sea wall, the sand made: the shingle.
There was nothing like normall wall, there were ocasional concrete covers before the bunkers in flat places like Utah Beach. Omaha Beach never required it and only had some concrete barricades in beach entrances. Tanks and infantry was ment to be stopped by sea mines, sea obstacles, mines on them, tank obstacles, mines on them, belgian gates, mines on them, bunch of other obstacles, shingle, barbed wire, mine fileds, marshes, anti tank ditches often flooded, cliffs, ocasionally cliffs strenghtened by walls as you mentioned, mine fileds, barbed wires, bunkers, barbed wires, minefields and ofcourse garrisons. Enough for a sea wall?

As for the fact that of Normandy urbanization, if it depended on me I would leave it as it was in 1944 with all beatiful hedges, marshes, beaches, terrain formations and this nice architecture. Now it's just changed so much, it's realy sad when you compare old photos to new photos.

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