Originally Posted by Mp5-Killa

Ok firstly, marshland is lost everywhere throughout the world every day, not just in Normandy. Also, the Amazon basin is a far more important natural habitat than an area of marshland ... but this is way off topic. Also claiming that a battle isn't very 'epic' is an insult to the soldiers who died there, please stop being so hypocritical about respecting the dead when you only seem to want to respect the americans who died on D-Day. Deaths on the D-Day beaches:

Juno - 574 dead
Gold - 400 casulaties
Utah - Less than 300 casualties
Omaha - 2,400 casualties
Sword - 630 casualties

British casulaties - 1,300
American - 2,700 casulaties
Canadian - 574 dead + 100s injured

The Americans may have the most casulaties but you can't ignore the hundreds who died from the other nations. Calling gold a 'piece of cake', utah 'not very epic' and juno 'not very epic or bloody' is ... pretty ignorant in my opinion.

And I like your reasoning about London - 'exhibits at the subways', I thought you were saying the area should be preserved? Since when are mouments preserving the area ? I'm totally for respecting the men and women who gave their lives for both sides but preserving land because that's the area they fell on is just ridiculous. I only set up Hawaii for you as a trick ... how can Pearl Harbour be preserved if the area attacked during WW2 was an airfield/naval base ;)

Basically, you cannot preserve land just because a war took place there. Some areas of land are symbolic and should be kept preserved (Auschwitz - Although preserving it hasn't stopped other genocide against certain races - Rwanda and Sudan for example) but preserving every battlefield is going too far.

Originally Posted by Seth_Soldier

Casualties doesn't necessary mean dead. A casualty is dead + wounded men + missing/capture.

DDay casualty : 10,000
D Day dead: 2500.

American casualty: 6603
American dead: 1465
American wounded : 3184
the rest are capture or missing (so 1928 normally dead but we don't really know how many the german has captured).

Only the ww1 have seen big number about the dead, i think in 3 days british has lost 30 000 men (battle of the somme). In the first month of ww1 , france has 250 000 casualties but i don't now exactly the number of dead (certaintly around 170 000)

Originally Posted by FlyGuy45

This thread was unnessacary. A better place to put it would have be in the DD tanks thread which was describing Omaha. Basing anything ANYTHING about SPR is like asking to add the MAUS. Knowing the Devs they will make Omha as realstic as possible (Along with others)If you want SPR beaches go play MOHAA. If you had read the other threads you would have leanred all this. Snice this front is far away the Devs arent certain. Ambience I amy add would be cool.

Originally Posted by Großadmiral Dönitz

A totally realistic layout (may need to be scaled for some maps though :( ) should automatically create lots of ambience. Perhapsnnot as in andy action ww2 movie but that's not what we want in the first place.

Originally Posted by pmbf1942

hey the whole length of the beach from water to cliffs is a huge 500 Yards :O imagine that for FH2

Originally Posted by |HV|MacGyver

It's "easy" to say such things as to preserve an area but imagine you've lived there for 20 years, the germans come and take over the place and unfortunately for you the allies suddenly decide to invade Europe where you live and turn the place into a massacre.

Originally Posted by Mp5-Killa

It was 60,000 casualties. Seth is trying to get you to see that casulaties aren't the same as fatalaties. Casualities includes all men injured (including the dead). However one third of those men did die and a massive 20,000 were killed.

Originally Posted by G.Drew (bf2)(cod2)

i know what casualties are, but still the british lost about 60,000 men, thts y its the single worst day in british military history.

Originally Posted by pvt. Allen

Allies invade Europe? I wouldn't call it like this. Aren't the mentioned Germans the people who taken the area and made allies try to regain it to liberate other lands or win the war? I just wouldn't say that allies come here and decide to do a masacre in peaceful Geramn occupied town.

Originally Posted by pmbf1942

Charlie Sector needs a lower shingle, its freaking huge!

Originally Posted by |HV|MacGyver

Of course, invade was bad wording of me, sorry for that, it has a bad connotation with it that I forgot when I wrote that.
Liberate was the correct word like you pointed out :)

But I hope you understood the general idea behind my post.

Originally Posted by Mp5-Killa

You may be correct about the battle fo the somme there Seth, according to an old history textbook of mine, Haig launched 27 divisions (750,000 men) against the German front line ( 16 divisions) with massive artillary barrage before the attack at 7:30 AM (1st July 1916). The artillary barrage failed to do anything, and the barbed wire was even more spread out and the German bunkers remained. The attack resulted in the worst day for the British army in its history.

The British expeditinary force lost 20,000 men and another 40,000 were injured.

About the differences in casulaties on D-Day. Statistics are extremely variable because some may count the casulaties on the actual beaches while some may count the entire day's worth of casualties.