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your welcome, man I'm going to restart the whole omaha beach I did, its too small, and i have too many obstacles, not to mention i have some incorrect terrain.

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Well, creating realistic terrain is very hard. If you could get heightmap satelite scans of today Omaha beach you could take them to program called Terragen and convert to bf42/2 heightmap. Then you would only have to correct few details wich have been cahnged during those 60 years. But don't ask me how to use Terragen, I never tryed it realy.

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Omaha beach changed a lot, you're better off basing your map off old ww2 maps.

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It's always easyer to modifie exisitng heightmap than do it from scratch. I know it's changed, but setting the terrain for maps like Omaha takes a bit and can occure boring when you have to change big part because something is not right. When you have the overall shape it's easyer to mod it and form for your idea of gameplay.

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yeah, I just need less trees, more greyish stuff, darn errosion

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Darn, too late to edit, anyone know where I can get a fire control bunker and a dog green bunker static object? And trenches?

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You mean all the statics you see in FH map? Tehy are all in FH rchives, it's best to make maps with ed42, then you can get all that stuff very easyly.

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Editor 42 is a bit confusing with all the directories.

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It's realy easy. You just have to follow tutorial. I think there is also some tutorial on how to install it in Donitz tutorials in FH Mapping forum.

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Are you kidding me?
Why don't you throw in a Tom Hanks or Matt Damon pickup kit in there aswell. Not that usefull pickup kits though, since the Tom Hanks kit will eventually die and the Matt Damon kit will be panicking and be huddled up crying.

This mod is based on the war that happened in real life, not hollywood. I know the devs would never listen to suggestions like this one but it still makes me nervous everytime they are made.

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Not to mention, it was filmed in ireland, not normandy.

And where can i get the base directories?

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why dont we just give the Francecoastline.com link to the devs, and lets see what they can do. we can also find some other references, like bunker placements, arty bunkers, pillboxes, minefeilds, or barbed wire placements. or beach length, beach width, bluff height

nother thing, there was never a sand sea wall, or shingle, they were all concrete

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It was filmed in Ireland because Normandy was cahnged too much, I wouldn't blame the film for this.
As for base directories, you just have to set the ed42 location, bfdev location and all the unpacked archives location. Readme is clear on what you are supposed to set and what not.

As for that website it's not much of use, I like it because it's nice to compare how it all looked before and how it looks now, but everything is cahnged way too much to base maps on these photos. Most of the old vegetation, especailly hedges have been removed, most of marshes do not exist anymore and there are alot of new buildings. Go to my gallery at take a look at the Carentan outskirts photos, almost everything is different.
And finally, devs don't need much of our research help unless it's something more than owning normal book or having acces to googles.:p
They already have two fine researches and many beta testers who are more than willing to help.;)

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k, Ill get to ED42 as soon as I can,thanks.

Also, they didnt film in Normandy cause of the strict laws, and historical preservation programs, pluss people live there. I think that Omaha beach, is sacred ground and should not be built on. Omaha should be a French National Monument, not a suburb.

According to my book, at omaha, there were:

8 FH Tall Bunkers (SPR)
2 Fire Control Bunkers
2 Radar Bunkers
4 Observation Bunkers
5 to 7 Casemates
3 subterrainian huge ammo bunkers
1 huge tunnel compelx with food storage, barrackses, and mg ports
All bunkers and buildings were joined together by these tunnels.
23 AT Guns
6 found kurmalaufs (STG44+curved barrel)
And more.......too much

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oh and,
10-14 small pillboxes
9-12 larger pillboxes

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Now we have an excuse to for MdGibs to make us the Stg44 with the curved barrel.:smokin:

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I've been on the beach, its pretty different. Very flat.

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i think u should b looking for the forum 'flamethrowers and DD tanks'

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I cant base my omaha on some old ww2 maps, theyre old, black and white and hard to see.

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mybe eyewitness accounts possiblely (tho tht could b hard)

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Correct, even more but that's useless info for mapper as Omaha sector was quite long, not of a size of the biggest used bf map.

Depends on the place, again, Omaha Beach is not 200 meters wide, it's elevation and cliff formations were quite differing even in time of invasion.

Yes you can, but use these for placing vegetation, making detailed terrain and placing buildings. For overall terrain form I strongly recommend aerial photos and ground photos done during the war. It's same as I created my map.

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Where can I get a good map, link?

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Search the Internet by Googles or any other browsers. Go to a book store and see if there are any books. Try to fin internet adresses in any publications about Omaha Beach. This is all I can help.

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what should I use for a sea wall? repport? berlinwaterwall? or anything custom i can find?

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What kind of sewall? I think you missunderstood this name. It means just the wall of fortifications on the french cost. Fortifications like: tank barriers, sea obstacles, mines, barbedwires, bunkers, minefields, anti tank ditches, cinder roadblocks, etc...

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http://search.eb.com/dday/art?id=40543&type=A

is this good?
anyone agree that omaha should be a historical place and should not be built on?

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This is only an overall concept that can help you understand how the seawall looked like. For map craetion choose one certain place and find as many photos and maps of that exact place as you can. And yes, Omaha should be historical accurate.

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no, I mean by keept preserved by the french gov as a national symbol, park, etc. People are changing the beach as we know it, and soon in the future, the bulffs on omaha will be nothing more than 30 ft high. and land carved into by house constructors. cliffs might have to be blown up to make way for new houses.

And by sea wall, it was never sand, it was concrete, how would a sand sea wall keep out tanks and infantry? It was actualy a mound of sand in front of a large concrete sea wall, the sand made: the shingle.

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I think they should not build on anywhere that near to teh beach. Americans don't develop Gettysburg into a suburb, do they? So don't develop a beach where 20,000 people died from all kinds of causes. I went to Omaha beach (in fact I think it was Charlie Sector), and I bet the retailers are drooling as they look at the hundreds of square meters for building...

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There was nothing like normall wall, there were ocasional concrete covers before the bunkers in flat places like Utah Beach. Omaha Beach never required it and only had some concrete barricades in beach entrances. Tanks and infantry was ment to be stopped by sea mines, sea obstacles, mines on them, tank obstacles, mines on them, belgian gates, mines on them, bunch of other obstacles, shingle, barbed wire, mine fileds, marshes, anti tank ditches often flooded, cliffs, ocasionally cliffs strenghtened by walls as you mentioned, mine fileds, barbed wires, bunkers, barbed wires, minefields and ofcourse garrisons. Enough for a sea wall?:naughty:

As for the fact that of Normandy urbanization, if it depended on me I would leave it as it was in 1944 with all beatiful hedges, marshes, beaches, terrain formations and this nice architecture. Now it's just changed so much, it's realy sad when you compare old photos to new photos.:(

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Man,the beach should be preserved, wheres save our history when you need them? The marshes are a natural habitat, for animals, and should not be removed just so we can build houses on, if we didnt do anything to the beach after WW2, i BET IT WOULD LOOK the same, with few differences and changes in the terrain. Peolpe are destroying this world.

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I know, that's what I exactly meant in post abouve you.
Though we can't blame people for making more people who need new places to live and work, it's kinds natural thing... try telling them to stop.:D

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Actually, I belong to the Civil War Preservation Trust, and recently, there was a move by the casino companies to build a CASINO on Cemetary Hill...where heavy fighting took place during all 3 days of the battle. Luckly, we were able to stop it, by buying up the land...but that was bad.

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Ignorant moneymakers, nothing more what I can say.
Caen administration also wanted to move the Pegasus bridge in pices to some museum and built a new bridge with bigger road there, hopefully they didn't managedto do this.

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Really :rolleyes: . I think we should be slightly more concerned with deforestation of the Amazon Basin and the island of Borneo than a slight change of a beach, probably a scheme to prevent land erosion. If we were to preserve every single battlefield then you can say goodbye to alot of cities. Why are we building up London! Thousands of people died there when Boadicea pillaged Londinium in the 1st century - surely we should 'respect' their deaths by leaving the entire London area undeveloped. Here ends my rant.

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Remember that ww2 was the biggest war and case of the allied invasion, though political as always, also had good purpose of helping (alot) in defeating Naizs in Europe. And the invasion in Normandy was a unique event wich will never happen again. It was the last time when so many units could take part in such big battle before the atomic bomb was invented. So it's a bit more important.

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Europe is the bloodiest battlefield.
All the piece of land have history of war or massacre .
Do you think after the ww1 , battlefields were kept intact ? no because it was impossible , we would had to close 3 departement (1 quarter of france).
Now people cultivate these lands.

European land was fed by soldier body, all the rivers with their blood.

It would be stupid to stop doing something on these piece of land because soldier are dead there. History is the past , we are living in the present and prepare the future.

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Well said.
As much as I would love to have all historical places untouched, you have to be rational. If we were to ban construction on all places around the world were battles had been fought we wouldn't be able to expand much more. Actually, we would probably have to tear down most of the cities.

There are of course exceptions. I wouldn't want to see the normandie beaches turned into some cheap sunbathing beaches. I also highly doubt that there ever will be any construction where the extermination/concentration camps where or still are.

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200 made in total beginning in 1945 IIRC, plus only a few MP43/44's delivered to the western front in early 1944, next delivery of MP's were in October of 1944.

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were just talkin about keeping OMAHA BEACH preserved, not the WHOLE of fuking france!
just put a belt (not a leather belt) around certian areas or even the entire of omaha beach to keep it preserved, i mean, its better to show our children what history was like in the fleash and concrete rather than showing them in books and pictures!

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Why just Omaha Beach? If you're applying your reasoning to just that one beach then why not the entire D-Day landing area ... why not Caen, St Lo, Falaise, Berlin, Volvograd (stalingrad), London (The Blitz), Coventry, Narvik, Tripoli, Manilla, Hawaii?

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Why not Poland?; always forgotten :bawl:

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/me sighs

Warsaw ...

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You obviously missed the point. As Mp5-Killa points out, why should you just preserve Omaha beach? If you decide to preserve Omaha beach for all the lives lost there then there are thousands of places around the world which should also be preserved. Don't get me wrong, I also want Omaha beach preserved as it is but a line has to be drawn somewhere and I don't know who would be able to be the judge of where we draw that line.

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Omaha was the bloodiest, and if you say, who cares about omaha beach, look at the amazon! well, the marshes in normandy are gone, and they are a natural animal habitat.

And people are destroying this world,

And what about Hawaii, berlin, stalingrad, or leningrad,

Hawaii: perserved
berlin, monuments
stalingrad, monuments
leningrad, monuments
warsaw, no clue
caen, peg bridge
london, exhibits at the subways (I think) or just exhibits of airraid shelters
utah B, not very epic
Juno b, not very epic or bloody
gold b, pice of cake
pointe du hoc, monument, they havent touched that place in yaers
sword, I dont know much about sword
omaha, theyre not doing enough to preserve its history.
point de la peirce, never touched it
port bessein, kept that historic wall.

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It is not because omaha beach is hyper-publicized by media that's the only one .The other allies has also suffer a lot too.
Hello the world ! the american were not alone ! and i can say that brits and the commonwealth were more than the american at the dday !

caen has one of the best museum/memorial ...
link

A law has been passed (no relation with history) to save littoral and avoid rapid erosion. About the beach the natural erosion is doing his work ...

Preservation are not needed, but memorials yes.

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pointe du hoc is amazing to see, it looks like a moonscape......giant craters all over the place and some of the pillboxes are still there

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As you posted it after people pointing out all the battles in the world how can you say that Omaha was the bloodiest?
Surely, many Americans lst their lifes there and were stock for hours, but there are alot more places wich were taken by more human blood.

As for Warsaw, we do have some monuments and museums, it also has official celebration day on it's beginning.

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Pegasus Bridge was replaced, but after hearing that the French wanted to dismantle it, however British veterans accociations bought the bridge for £1.

From Wikipedia:

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Ok firstly, marshland is lost everywhere throughout the world every day, not just in Normandy. Also, the Amazon basin is a far more important natural habitat than an area of marshland ... but this is way off topic. Also claiming that a battle isn't very 'epic' is an insult to the soldiers who died there, please stop being so hypocritical about respecting the dead when you only seem to want to respect the americans who died on D-Day. Deaths on the D-Day beaches:

Juno - 574 dead
Gold - 400 casulaties
Utah - Less than 300 casualties
Omaha - 2,400 casualties
Sword - 630 casualties

British casulaties - 1,300
American - 2,700 casulaties
Canadian - 574 dead + 100s injured

The Americans may have the most casulaties but you can't ignore the hundreds who died from the other nations. Calling gold a 'piece of cake', utah 'not very epic' and juno 'not very epic or bloody' is ... pretty ignorant in my opinion.

And I like your reasoning about London - 'exhibits at the subways', I thought you were saying the area should be preserved? Since when are mouments preserving the area ? I'm totally for respecting the men and women who gave their lives for both sides but preserving land because that's the area they fell on is just ridiculous. I only set up Hawaii for you as a trick ... how can Pearl Harbour be preserved if the area attacked during WW2 was an airfield/naval base ;)

Basically, you cannot preserve land just because a war took place there. Some areas of land are symbolic and should be kept preserved (Auschwitz - Although preserving it hasn't stopped other genocide against certain races - Rwanda and Sudan for example) but preserving every battlefield is going too far.