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Originally Posted by [11PzG] USMA2010

:lol:

Yeah, I know what the difference is man. Look at the initial post. I said (I)SU-122. Indicating that both the ISU-122 and SU-122 should be made by the team. Be it for this map or not, the ISUs should definatly be in Forgotten Hope!

Hmm, I guess I should have kept reading on the KV-85 then, huh? Any ideas on a mass produced AFV that the Soviets could use to effectivly even the score?

The Soviets won by throwing masses of T-34's and KV-1's at the Germans. The Soviets also desperately need the ISU-152 to counter the Tiger and Ferdinand.

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Originally Posted by Orange

If that's what its supposed to be, its a sorry excuse for it.

Half way? Half realistic? What are you daft? You cannot put a figure on the amount of 'realism' that way. It isn't representative of the actual battle, but it is a fun map regardless. Maybe change the name of the current map and make an new map with the name Prokhorovka. Or more accurately, Prokhorovka outskirts or something, as II SS Panzer Corps never made it to the town itself.

As in parts of it are realistic and others are not. I do agree that those earthworks and bunkers are not the greatest, but it's better than nothing.

P.S. Let the learning continue!:bows:

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Originally Posted by [11PzG] USMA2010

:lol:

You know how much effect those planes had on the early days of the offensive?

ZERO

The dust kicked up by the advancing and retreating tanks and other vehicles made it impossible for Jabos to identify their targets. Rather than risking killing their comrades/kamraden, they did not engage many ground forces. Don't believe me? Ask Anluschac.

Cite.

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Originally Posted by Orange

Cite.

Almost everything you wanted to know about Kursk is listed here.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/

I don't have to. I cited Anlushac, who has resources unknown to Achtung Panzer and even Jane's!

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Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Almost everything you wanted to know about Kursk is listed here.
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/vy75/

Oh, I thought you were going to list a source that I didn't know of. http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...28frown%29.gif

Aircraft played a large role in Kursk, especially in the early stages. To say otherwise is folly. VIII Air Corp's Ju 88s and He 111s launched large scale carpet bombings on Allied positions on the first morning - with such a weight of fire it mattered little whether enemy could be seen, as they just bombed all over the damned place.

Rotmistrov, one of the Red Army generals in the Prokhorovka area, described the scene:

"At the same time, furious aerial combats developed over the battlefield. Soviet as well as German airmen tried to help their grond forces to win the battle. The bombers, ground support aircraft and fighters seemed to be permanently suspended in the sky over Prokhorovka."

If anyone is contending that aircraft of either side were ineffective in the early stages of the battle, they had better provide sources to back up such a claim.

Im not saying they werent used but their effectiveness was entirely dependant on the weather, visibility and the amount of smoke and dust over the battlefield. Parts were so bad that visibility was almost like night time.

Heh, XWW2's Kursk is cool but look at this

http://img59.exs.cx/img59/4471/edite...anshot24im.jpg
I think thats 45 T-34's on XWW2's Operation Zitadelle map. That is T-34's alone (not all of them mind you), their are also KV-1's and Churchills. The Germans get like 1 Tiger and 2 Panthers http://67.18.37.16/html/emoticons/huh.gif though i havn't checked if they respawn again and again like the T-34's.

I've often killed upwards of 25 Soviet tanks, without being killed myself. Such is the life of a Tiger commander.

I havn't had the chance to play online very much in that game :D

It seems reasonable, do any soviet tannks damage you frontally? I was playing with bots as Ruskies enjoyable it is.