I would enjoy the map so much more if the top base, and maybe the base just south of the russian main were gone. Just one flag (or would that be 2?) + shitloads of tanks
This map rules. Especially since it has fighters now. I love blowing the il2s out of the sky with the 109. Why only one fighter per side? The only thing bad about this map is that it rarely runs on any servers.
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I don't think you get it Fu. The map may be fun, but flies in the face of the "historical accuracy" policy of the mod. It is, as we look at it, one of the least accurate maps in the entire mod.
The reason you only have one fighter is because its a tank map! Too many aircraft, and you get shit like El Al. Only a few people tank, and the rest planecamp.
I don't think you get it Fu. The map may be fun, but flies in the face of the "historical accuracy" policy of the mod. It is, as we look at it, one of the least accurate maps in the entire mod.
The reason you only have one fighter is because its a tank map! Too many aircraft, and you get shit like El Al. Only a few people tank, and the rest planecamp.
You're contradicting yourself. First you say that the map must be realistic, then you say there shouldn't be so many aircraft. July 5th 1943, the first day of the offensive, saw the largest single-day air battle in world history. Both sides brought thousands of aircraft to airfields near the salient in order to participate. These included Stukas with twin 37mm cannons, Fw190s with fragmentation bombs and rockets, IL-2s with AT guns, rockets, bombs and whatever the hell else they could hang on the wings of that thing, and more. For a Prokhorokva map to be realistic, it would have to have a dozen aircraft or more.
That's just unreasonable though. It would make mree sense to sacrifice some aspects of 'realism' (which is overblown anyway, FH isn't much of a 'realism' mod and its better off not being one) and focus on making a reasonable represenatation of a small part of the battle. Done well this makes the map a lot of fun, which is really what its all about.
You know how much effect those planes had on the early days of the offensive?
ZERO
The dust kicked up by the advancing and retreating tanks and other vehicles made it impossible for Jabos to identify their targets. Rather than risking killing their comrades/kamraden, they did not engage many ground forces. Don't believe me? Ask Anluschac.
SU-122 is not the same as a ISU-122. SU-122 was based on a T-34 hull and used a 122mm howitzer. ISU-122 was based on IS-2 hull and used a 122mm A-19 gun.
This is a SU-122
This is a ISU-122
Those are two completely different animals. I did not say the SU-122 was not at Kursk. It was and it was pretty successful at tank killing firing a HEAT round.
The KV-85 was built in 1943. But it did not see service at Kursk. Soviet Military unit records document that.
And WWiivehicles also list this
"Another source says they didn't first appear until December 1943 against Army Group North."
Yeah, I know what the difference is man. Look at the initial post. I said (I)SU-122. Indicating that both the ISU-122 and SU-122 should be made by the team. Be it for this map or not, the ISUs should definatly be in Forgotten Hope!
Hmm, I guess I should have kept reading on the KV-85 then, huh? Any ideas on a mass produced AFV that the Soviets could use to effectivly even the score?
What you guys have to realize is that the Kursk front even around Prokhorovka was alot of area. There were parts where it rained so much the ground turned to a sea of mud. There were other places where it was as dry and dusty as if during a drought.
What FH did with the sandstorm would also work well on Prokhorovka if they could do random rain squalls.
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