Fly-By Camera
 

Press F12 in any vehicle, and you get a neat little "fly-by" view of the action...

Near every mod has this feature included for infantry, but FH does not. We already have two different 3rd person views, so why not this one too? Makes for some cool screenshots.

Hell, I bet you could do it by .67.

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Why is it so important?

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Its not important, but it would be nice to have, and its probably not to hard to code in.

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its a realy good function if you are trying to create cool screenshots!

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It isn't important. But why not have it? It could not take too long to do, would make for great screenshots, and be just plain nice to have.

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Personally I think all external views (other then nose cam) only belong in FH Movie Edition.

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Fly-by can't really help you. It just looks cool.

IMO, 3rd person view is needed. Imagine driving through the wooded areas of Nordwind with no out of tank view.

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I do it all the time. I feel that external view are chaunce so I don't use them at all. I also usually get very good scores as a tanker.

I do agree flyby can't really help but since they have a movie version I just think that it would be better included there.

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Because that is cheating. 3rd person cam allows you look behind walls/corners, even through buildings and into lower/higher floors

Attached is a screenshot showing how someone in the top of bunker on Omaha can look a floor below him, and know exactly when and how many enemies are coming.

http://forums.filefront.com/attachme...chmentid=28471

This alone is enough to be considered a bannable cheat/exploit, yet the game provides it at the convinience of a button press.

While for vehicles, it may be necessary to use external cams in order to navigate, for infantry, there is absolutely no reason for this to be enabled.

And to add to this, you suggest to use the Fly-by view for infantry as well? Are you nuts? Someone can go to the enemy flag, enable the Fly-by camera there, and then walk back into safety of his own base accross the whole map (using minimap to navigate). And the camera will stay positioned at the enemy flag while the player is across the whole map!! He can relay all the enemy movements, vehicles, everything from that flag, to his team.

FH needs to remove external cameras for infantry ASAP!

There is movie-making-mod, that's where all those cameras should be, not in the game-mod

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I don't really use the current 3rd person cameras at all... Fly-By can not do you any real good, so I would like to see it in.

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Thank you for exposing those exploits to unknowing smacks hydra.. really apriciate it.

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Yeah, way to go.

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Flyby view could be used to make some really bad cheats. Hit flyby view, hide in hole, wait for someone to come by that can't even see you, BAM.

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If they hadn't figuered that one out by now I'm not too worried about their skills...

Third person view's ability to be used as X-ray vision is pretty lame. But, I'll admit that I use it. When I'm behind sandbags or on the back side of a hill I'll use it because I consider it to be similiar to peeking over an obstacle. Since in BF the soldier camera is in the chest, I consider this a viable option to sticking my ENTIRE upper torso over the hill just to see if a tank is coming. But, the ability to see through walls/ floors is wrong and if that means losing my ability to "peak" over hills and sandbags then I'm all for it.

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Posting how people cheat with things is good because it forces it to be changed so those cheats no longer happen. No one under any circumstance other then making movies needs any external veiws at all other then nosecam. External views are for movie making mods not for gameplay.

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Plane taxing is really the only thing external views are reaaally needed for. Tanks, inf and whatever... while ppl will CLING TO THEIR BOTTLE LIKE NO ONE'S BUSINESS, aren't neccesary.

And it's true I use ext view all the time for my sneakpeaks over walls.

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I didnt know that i could glitch in order to look at a floor below me like that, and i can hold my own in battle, what is your point?

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all 3rd person views shouldnt be in FH i think, even with vehicles because with a tank you can look behind you without it looking asthough u are, so people think there running up to your while u cant see them (which you couldnt in real life) an so then u get on the mg or something quick (because its facing backwards i think, if not then turn it backwards before hand) so yea u just press '2' and who ever it was behind u has just died

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Exactly Myrddraal, thank you for explaining it to him. I posted this just in time. The new release was a week away from the time i posted it. Disabling the 3rd person camera is simply a matter of changing a single value from 1 to 0 (or vice-versa) in the new build.

If FH devs care, they will change it in time for 0.67. If they don't change it, that means they are encouraging such exploits by giving soldiers external camera.

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Eh, except you could really. Tanks had devices for checking their surroundings. Not as Effective as F10, F11, but they weren't totally blind.

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Tank commanders normally were out or looking around somehow and went in the tank when combat was expected or started. External view helps with that and without them vehicles would be greatly gimped. Infantry on the other hand....
I see no real defense for infantry 3rd person modes

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Except being able to very stealthily peek at the enemy, something you could do in real life but not in game.

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another example of how you can 'use' the third person mode:

you can use it to look around the corner, without riscing your puny life.
http://forums.filefront.com/attachme...id=28582&stc=1

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I'm pretty sure his legs would stick out of the wall there, and therefore enemy soldiers will see him, but anyway, I get the picture! http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/winkx.gif

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If he would crouch instead, his legs won't stick out, and he will still have the same great view around the corner.

Bottom line is, external camera for soldiers is an exploit explicitly enabled by the devs. If they care, they will disable it.

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Have you sent a PM to one of the active devs on the forum about this exploit?

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wow this is retarded.. third person is the best thing ever to happen to games and is one funnest parts of fh. The advantage 3rd person offers is minimal at best, and accounts for many game inaquacies such as a lack of perhipial vision, and the abilty to tilt your read around a a corner.

The people who actually bother with the truly exploiting with it only tend to get a minimal advantage anyway, and removing it comes at the price of huge amount of enjoyment, and the abilty to take screenies of yourself.

Not to mention servers can still disable this if they want. If your so interested in killing why don't you start up a server with it disabled or go play on one- oh wait there are none (that i know of)- why? Because removing it sucks, far more then a couple crapppy players using it for a "exploit"- its not even a unfair advantage since everbody has it.

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I'm pretty sure FH did have the F12 view in an earlier build, they probably took it out for the reasons already mentioned. I don't mind F10 and F11 view since the infantry movement is so clunky that it's hard to peek w/o exposing yourself a lot.

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On no, OMG!!!WTFF!!1!1!!!11!, without that, the game won't be a game.

You want to take screenies of yourself, go download FH Movie mod

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Agree completely with everything. http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/pleased.gif
Calling that a cheat is really too much, almost no one bothers to use that anyway, and it brings absolutely minimal advantages if even that.

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The best option would be to disable exterior cams for infantry and limited them for tanks (would be great if we could disable all external views aslong as you are in a flag cap radius. But this wont be possible). I myself use it external cam while taking flags with a vehicle (tank) so i won't get owned by infantry firing their bazooka/piat in the back of my panzer.

Pro's of disabling external views:
- No more cheating by lookiing through walls (clipping)
- No more looking around corners
- No more tanks being able to spot enemy infantry sneaking up to them.

Con's:
- You cant take screenies of yourself (solution: get the movie mod or let someboidy shoot a screenie of you)
- Harder to navigate trough woods with a tank (solution: in time you will be able to learn how much space your tank needs).

So the pro's clearly outweight the cons, so IMO external views on infantry and tanks should be disabled ASAP. I can live with boats and airplanes having them though since they cant really cap flags.

PS: added a poll

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I voted to keep it the way it is now. Plain and simple, I like the external views. I think removing them wouldn't detract from game play at all, I just don't think that removing them is going to have the huge effect on game play like everyone else seems to think. And I guarentee that if you are sick of hearing about how much AT pwns tanks, just wait and see what's going to happen if you remove external camera views from tanks :uhm:

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Personally I like these kind of realism things but still I voted "other". And that is because of that server side option, which already exists. I also checked the memory of ASE (no active internet connection at home at the moment) and the result was also that none has disabled those views. If enough players are interested about removing them, persuade one well known server to try that for a period of time and we get empirical evidence about popularity.:deal: In BFV situation is that about 1 % of servers have disabled views, too bad, could make choppers not that powerfull.

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Heh, the first time I looked at that screenie, I thought he was talking about being able to see the guys coming up the stairs, I didn't even notice the glitch :D

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Disable all,it`s a first person game.

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Or add a commander coupola to each tank :nodding:

I voted for removal of external cams, though i must the biggest user of these external views