20mm shell needs some power.
 

Now, I noticed a while ago that, although they have made the 20mm shell make a purty expolsion and all, it still has no shrapnel. I tried it out in single player, and yep, I can hit right at the feet of a soldier, and they take no damage. This should be fixed in .67. It should be like the 88 and 40mm shell, it should wipe infy off the map, and be a great house clearer. Also, the same should be fixed on the 20mm AA, plus the 20mm AA should have that proximity expolsion too, as they did use proximity fuses on the ground 20mms.

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40mm and 88mm were greatly reduced in power in HE rounds, or at least it looks like they were so 20mm really should be noticeably weaker and they are

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Yeah, well, that ain't very realistic, yes? And we aren't talking just small HE capability of the 20mm here, I am saying I can pump 20 rounds of HE right next to a guy, and he won't die, or take any damage. THIS IS NOT REALISM! THe 20mm should be able to kill just by landing a few feet from a guy. It is basically a small grenade. When you put 10 of them inot a room, and don't kill the guy inside because none of the shells actually hit HIM it is not very realistic.

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depends if fh makes the shells AP or HE.

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Well, they explode so that'd indicate they are HE.

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Proximity fuse? On a 20mm? What the hell do you smoke?
A 20mm round has some g of explosives, even today adding in a proximity sensor there would be a delicate task, since the projectil is so tiny. And if you got your sensor and fuse in there, you don't need it anymore, since those shells have little more explosive power then china crackers. Of course they have some shrapnel, but with an explosive weight measured in single g, it won't really knock the house down (Handgrenades are around 100g)

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IIRC Axis were never able to develop a effective proximity fused shell in WW2 anyways so no point in discussing how effective it would be.

I seem to remember a discussion on fused shells in regards to AA guns and it seems that 76mm was the smallest proximity fused shell used in WW2.

The 20mm rounds had good explosive power if they hit, but no proximity fuses.

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lol a 20mm round at the feets won't kill any soldier.
It would probably blow the feets and maybe the a part of the legs away.
So it should just take 1/3 damage if you shoot there...

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A 20mm shell wouldn't even blow up the persons feet. It contains very little explosives and they are small so they don't make much in the way of shrapnel.
The explosive of a 20mm is used to breach something, in this case the armour or hull of a aircraft to make a slightly bigger hole than a MG would. To kill a person you would have to hit them directly.

As for proximity fuses, they were hardly used at all in ww2. Most realistic is to not have them at all.

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The US and Allies did not sue proximity fuses in ETO or MTO for fear of a unexploded shell falling into enemy hands. In the PTO most AA guns were firing over water so if a shell didnt explode it just fell into the water.

By fall of 1944 when it was obvious that the Allies would win proximity shells were introduced into ETO and MTO.

The proximity fuses were mostly used on 105mm and 155mm howitzers. There werent many Luftwaffe targets by fall of 1944 so proximity fused AA shells were not a priority.