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Anlushac11 January 25th, 2005 07:29 PM
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There were 5 mini subs of which it seems two got into the harbor, and one actually made a torpedo attack on battleship row.

The Nevada did get underway but had to beached on Hospital point after it received the attention of the Jap strike force for getting underway.

A map of Pearl could also benefit with hitting the tool shops and fuel storage area. These targets were in the cancelled 3rd wave and if hit and knocked out would have done more damage than all the ships lost because they would have crippled Pearls ability to repair ships and equipment. The US Navys only heavy repair facilities would have then been in San Diego.

So in effect teh Japanese cancelled the oone part of the raid that would ahve had the most devestating results.

terminal-strike January 25th, 2005 08:18 PM
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yea Iv never understood why they didn't do more follow up attacks, after the intial ones. I had never heard of the 3rd wave cancelling until now, but I mean even in general they could have stayed and done more attacks after the defenses were already weakened.

Iv done some digging- it would be reasonable to have a use destoryer fighting japanese submarines (maybe mini-if there done, regular ones as place holders maybe?)

site
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...r/pearlhbr.htm
this section--
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/e...br/ph-misc.htm

Quote:
There are a number of important events related to the Pearl Harbor raid that are not covered elsewhere in this presentation. Among them is the first shot of the Pacific War, fired by the destroyer USS Ward before dawn on 7 December 1941. Ward was patrolling in an restricted zone off the entrance to Pearl Harbor when the minesweeper Condor reported that she had spotted a submarine periscope at 3:42AM. Nearly three hours later, a PBY patrol plane also sighted a periscope and marked the spot with a smoke pot. Ward came over, fired her guns at the sub and dropped depth charges, reportedly sinking it.

This was one of five Japanese midget submarines that were attempting to enter Pearl Harbor to participate in the attack. The destroyer radioed a report of the incident to Pearl Harbor, another destroyer was ordered out to assist her, and Pacific Fleet Commander Admiral Husband E. Kimmel was informed. However, presumably because hostile submarine activity around Hawaii was expected in the event of war, while air attack was not, Ward's incident, more than an hour before the Japanese planes arrived, did not occasion a general alarm.


They say it was the first shot, but IIRC the japanese attacked a US boat on river in china, in the late (38?) when they were fighting there. I forget where I read that now though. Anywya so maybe 3 main use spawns-- destroyer outsides, battle ship area (man ship aa, repair) and the airfield- aa and try to take off?

Some neat pics of the midget subs on there.
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...psh-h/ha19.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...ss/mdg-a-5.htm
etc. etc. there

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...00/g350051.jpg

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/h42364.jpg







http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/h91334.jpg


the REAL pear harbor attack-- giants came in and smashed things!http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/h62534.jpg

[tR]Mad Mac January 26th, 2005 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal-strike
the REAL pear harbor attack-- giants came in and smashed things!http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/i...000/h62534.jpg
Yeah, the Japanese seem to have a lot of trouble with those types of things

http://www.chopperware.com/godzilla5...n/g54train.gif

BAM January 26th, 2005 11:48 AM
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hah ! i always thought the japs were small guess i was wrong ...

azzeruk January 26th, 2005 02:50 PM
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it was a devesteting attack from the japanese, but their forgivon, as japanese gilrs are so cute and sexy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Komrad_B January 26th, 2005 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by terminal-strike
There was also spies on the island itself too, though I don't know if they did any sabotage.
Dont worry, if we have that map in FH you can be sure that hordes of japanese smacktards will bail over Pearl Harbor and get into some APC just to ruin everyone's game.


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