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A few weapons that could be added for the Soviets.

PPs 43
Caliber: 7.62x25mm Tokarev
Rate of Fire: ~700 RPM
Magazine capacity: 35 rounds
Effective Range: 200 meters

Designed in 1942, the PPs43s main mission was to provide an automatic weapon to speciality units. The Red Army would equip their tankers, paratroopers, and recon units with this weapon due to the fact that the PPSh41 was too large and heavy for the job. About 500,000 units were shipped into service by 1943 to all types of soldiers. By the end of the war, this weapons was being sold to pro-Soviet nations throughout the world.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/pps43.jpg

PPD-34
Caliber: 7.62x25mm Tokarev
Rate of Fire: 900 RPM
Magazine Capacity: 25 round box, and 71 round drum for later PPD 38s and PPD 40s.
This firearm was designed by Fedor Degtyarov in 1934, based off of more popular German designs. This weapon was made in small numbers, however, and mostly used by either forces on the Finnish front, NKVD officers, or rear guard. This would be a great weapons to use of early war maps were ever introduced.
PPD 40
http://world.guns.ru/smg/ppd1.jpg

RPD44
A late war machine gun, it would replace the DP1928 on many maps. Not many served in WW2, but enough to warrent its placement in FH. It fired from a belt fed drum magazine like most modern machineguns. It can be said to be the ancestor of all modern machineguns. It had a high rate of fire and was moderatly accurate, but no match for an MG42.

Just for those of you who are whining about the PPSh41 still, here is a little bit for you to read:
"The main advantage of the PPSch-41 was bigger effective range (when compared to both Allies and Axis submachineguns of that era). It also was accurate enough and reliable. The main drawbacks were: heavy weight, lenght (too big for trench combat or for mobile operations) and the fact that the gun was sometimes prone (especially when weared enough) to unintended fire when dropped."

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Would that RPD44 be the RPD from BFV? Love that gun (well, before 1.2 came out anyway)

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One and the same. Also featured in Rainbow Six 3.

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the RPD was not used untill the 1950's.

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No... Maybe you are thinking of the PK or later RPDs, but the "44" in RPD44 means it entered service in 1944.

http://69.93.253.148/~army/guns/gallery/R5.jpg

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No, it means it was developed.

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how can you say that, when you even state that it was no match for the MG42, which is still in use today (MG3)? :)

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ak47 was developed in 46, MP43 was under development in 42.

G98 was accepted in 1898, MG42 was accepted in 1942, and so on, and so on. it was developed before the year in the name. it did perhaps not enter service in numbers in the year named, but it was accepted according to specifications, and production could start.

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FG42 entered service in 1944.....

Anyway, according to my sources the RPD was developed 1944, but entered regular service only just in 1953. I guess this is based mainly on logistics, since the RPD fires the same 7.63x39 the AK uses, while most WWII weapons use different ammo.

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but it was accepted in 42, right? production was just postponed.

it was in development since what.... mid/late-thirties?

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A bigger effective range when compared to another smg. Not when compared to a k98. Considering now you can fire a smg with the same accuracy as a rifle. Read alittle more of what you posted...ACCURATE ENOUGH. Enough being the key word there. Not uberaccurte at 200 yds. I think they did a test of all early model WWII smgs not to long ago. Ill have to find it. They found the mp40 most accurate over range, but with less stopping power. The ppsh was 2nd accurate, with the same stopping. The thomson was least accurate over distance, but had better stopping.

No ones ever going to argue that when in close combat a smg should dominate. The problem is right now there is no drop off for them. They can fire to any range with accuracy and put more lead in that area then any rifle can. Close combat is 50 to 100 yds. Anything more then that a smg is just being used to lay a volume of fire to keep enemys heads down. Not accuratly snipe them from windows. We must find some sort of value to represent this. Try to figure out in game what fifty to a hundred yards is equal to. Then make smg's suck after this distance.

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It was developed after Crete, that's 41. Accepted for service it was in 1944, the gun was done way earlier, but the Heereswaffenamt denied it's approval till the war was nearly over.

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Listen, RPDs we're not used in WW2... Drop it... :nodding:

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The FG42-1 was in service before 1944, but only 2,000 were produced. In 1944 the "improved" FG42-2 was made to help the gun's accuracy on full atuo. 5,000 of the second model were made.

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MG3 is a very large weapon. It is the ancestor of modern LMGs in that it is compact, easily portable, and is fired from both unsupported and supported positions. The MG42 was large, heavy, and could only be fired from a tripod or bipod without effecting accuracy too much.

And, Mihail, you are definatly thinking of the RPK. Developed from the AK-47, it entered service in 1950s. Besides, do you think that in a nation at war, it would take over four years for a gun to be developed and put into production?

Give me three sources on the introduction date of the RPD and then I will believe you. Until then, don't argue.

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Yet in FH we can run, spray, backflip, jump some more, continue to spray, dive, reload. Gotta love it.

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The only automic weapon the russians need is the DShk. A ppd would be nice but all it would be is a skin over the ppsh.

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RPD-44..was developed in 1944. The AK-47..was devoloped in fourty seven. Don't confuse it with the AK-46, which was an Ak developed in 1946. And let this bee a statement to all you bloody fools who say the 47 is a copy of the STG-44. Fancy that it uses a completely differant firing mechanism and gas recycle system..closer to the SVT-40!

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Well, there is no denying a physical similarity...

AK-47
http://www.wargameclub.com/gun-folder/images/ak47.jpg

STG44
http://www.diggerhistory.info/images...ewhr-stg44.jpg

However, the similarities stop there.

BTW: Could you please post a link of this AK-46? I know of the 47, 74, Special Units Models (AK-74SU), Dragnov, RPK and PKM, but not of the AK-46

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http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models.html

There you go mate! Every AK you ever wanted to know. There are tons. Personal favourite is the AK-108. 7.62 roolz!

And for you whiny bitches. PPSH fired some pretty big 7.62x25 rounds.

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/models/ka30.html =Ak-46

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7.62x25 was among the smallest rounds used in the war. Even the NAMBU fired 8mm. In fact there were no standard issue firearms that had a smaller round then 7.62x25mm. The STG fired 7.92x33mm Kurz, The .30 Carbine rounds were slightly longer..

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I was talking about the x25 factor of it. That's big for a SMG

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Thanks for the info!
There is a specific AK deritive that amazes me, but I can't remember the name. It is all black, andfires semi auto, 2 round burst and full auto. The neat thing is that the barrel totally absorbes recoil allowing two rounds to be fired before feeling anything. Starts with a "D" or "R" as best as I can remember.

However, the 7.62xx25mm Tokarev is pretty small. 7.62 is a decent rifle caliber, but with only 25mm behind the round, its gonna be weak

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Still has longer flight ranges than a 9mm And besides, 7.62 is still enough to make things hurt. That's still a big round. The AK derivitive isn't an AK at all. It's an innovative rifle called the AN-94 Abakan.

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Well, not really. Its not so much about the width of the round as it is the power behind it. Such is the reason why the .17HMR is becoming so popular, or why a 50mm cannon owned tanks with larger 75mm guns.

THe 94 looks right, but I could have sworn that it was something else besides "AN".

Personally, I am waiting for a good AK-74 to come in to comliment my XM15E2.

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Get an AK-100 series. They Rool. The AK-107 and 108 have a piston inside them that counteracts the recoil by shooting off in the other direction. Nearly nullifies it. But the Abakan (AN-94) is the only one with two round burst that negates the recoil.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as08-e.htm

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Hmm, will look into that. Right now I am looking for the following:

GERMAN Mauser K98
Enfeild No. 4
PPSh41
AK of somesort

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good luck on the ppsh

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I have already found one, but it looks like total crap. The wood looks like termites fell in love with it, and the barrel is partly rusted.

IMO: Beyond repair. Did find a handful of quaility Thompsons and MP40s.

These guys will hook you up. Trust me:
www.gatguns.com

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No autos here in canada :rolleyes:

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Nor in America. At least fully automatic without the shiny Class IV FFL.

Just semiautomatics. *cries*

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Plus, even semiauto versions just don't look right with just a 5-round clip :D

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Well, the one I saw didn't have a five round clip...

My dad is applying for a Class IV now, so soon we can have the regular 71 round, fully automatic PPSh41! :D

Did you guys hear about that Vietnmese hunter in Wisconsin? Shot 8 people, killed 5. Apparently, the victims pointed out that the man was using their treestand. He opened fire with his SKS. According to CBS and CNN, a very powerful assault rifle. *rolls eyes*

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i still claim that the ak-47 was developed in 46 (and before that) ;) the AK-46's looks like prototypes for the final version, named AK-47. Just like the general german fully automatic rifle (not MG) was in development since the mid/late thirties, resulting in the MKb's and finally the MP43 and FG42 ("German Assault Rifle 1935-1945", Peter R. Senich). When was the MP44 developed? 44? nah, the 44 is simply a renamed/lightly revised MP43, thus developed when the 43 was.

http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/images/321.jpg 46
http://kalashnikov.guns.ru/images/038.jpg 47

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Of course not silly, you're American. We can't have semi-auto's with any more than a five-round clip up here.:D (.22 may be an exception, I can't remember exactly)

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Ouch, that really sucks...

Still, the Russians could benefit from other, better machine guns. Be the DShK or Maxim or whatever...

It just seems to me as though the entire eastern front is overlooked for the more glamourous west.

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Nah, not really a big deal, if you need more than 5 shots to take down dinner, you're either not using a big enough rifle, or you should just go buy your food at the store... :D

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lol seriously

You can't get those, historical liscence or not, without a Class 3 Firearms liscence. That = $$$$$$$$$$$$

71 round drums may be 100% un-ownable even with a Class 3, you might have to settle for 35 rnd Box mags.

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Here's a fun fact Arisaka. Russians are not Germans. The MP-40 WAS developed in 1940, and despite common belief, Russians are capable of independant thought. Did you know they are not monkeys? Would you go so far as to believe that their numbering system isn't the same as the Germans?