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Old November 22nd, 2004   #21
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7.62x25 was among the smallest rounds used in the war. Even the NAMBU fired 8mm. In fact there were no standard issue firearms that had a smaller round then 7.62x25mm. The STG fired 7.92x33mm Kurz, The .30 Carbine rounds were slightly longer..
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I was talking about the x25 factor of it. That's big for a SMG

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Thanks for the info!
There is a specific AK deritive that amazes me, but I can't remember the name. It is all black, andfires semi auto, 2 round burst and full auto. The neat thing is that the barrel totally absorbes recoil allowing two rounds to be fired before feeling anything. Starts with a "D" or "R" as best as I can remember.

However, the 7.62xx25mm Tokarev is pretty small. 7.62 is a decent rifle caliber, but with only 25mm behind the round, its gonna be weak
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Still has longer flight ranges than a 9mm And besides, 7.62 is still enough to make things hurt. That's still a big round. The AK derivitive isn't an AK at all. It's an innovative rifle called the AN-94 Abakan.

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Well, not really. Its not so much about the width of the round as it is the power behind it. Such is the reason why the .17HMR is becoming so popular, or why a 50mm cannon owned tanks with larger 75mm guns.

THe 94 looks right, but I could have sworn that it was something else besides "AN".

Personally, I am waiting for a good AK-74 to come in to comliment my XM15E2.
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Get an AK-100 series. They Rool. The AK-107 and 108 have a piston inside them that counteracts the recoil by shooting off in the other direction. Nearly nullifies it. But the Abakan (AN-94) is the only one with two round burst that negates the recoil.

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Hmm, will look into that. Right now I am looking for the following:

GERMAN Mauser K98
Enfeild No. 4
PPSh41
AK of somesort
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good luck on the ppsh
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I have already found one, but it looks like total crap. The wood looks like termites fell in love with it, and the barrel is partly rusted.

IMO: Beyond repair. Did find a handful of quaility Thompsons and MP40s.

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