Whats your ideas for variants of existing vehicles?

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some things scouted from other threads-

pesci suggested yellow nades for wake

Originally Posted by pesci_fan

Here is the Yella Grenade

a lot of have have these have been suggested before, but neverthless a nice overview of some potential up-armorment variants.

Originally Posted by MkH^

Don't forget the Finnish Stugs.

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

M13/40 with sandbags.


Semovente 75/18 with sandbags and track added


Panther ausf G with added side turret and side hull protection.


M-4 Sherman...
Sandbagged Sherman


Canadian Firefly, but other Shermans used this technique too.


Polish Firefly


Churchill


T-34/76 with hull armor panels added


T-34/76 with hull and turret armor panels added

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german hand grenades- the range Stielhandgranate, each with differences in performance and looks. Namely the Stielhandgranate 24, Stielhandgranate 39, and Stielhandgranate 43. The 39 mainly just had some explosive, and the 43 (only could be fore post 42 maps) had a different trigger type. The thrid one down is 43, the little flanges are the trigger same as on the egg like one if that is ever done.

http://www.inert-ord.net/ger03a/gerhgr/stck/index.html

For the french the laffy is done, and there 47mm at gun is done as well (at least I think so, it was in the wallpapers that were released). These were put together in the form of a portee, with the gunmounted on the back. There were a number of types, some with some light armor on to.




http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/f...nce-Other.html


and finally for the japanese, a covered kurogane. Iv mentioned this before but I found some pics of a surving one.
http://muwsan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/p_kurogane.htm

[Karst]

i think the nashorn would be awesome.....but in fact it does not use the same hull as wespe, which is a panzer II hull
nashorn has a modified panzerIV hull, and was armed with a pak 43/1 L/71, which was even more powerful than the king tiger's

a nashorn was also responsible for the only destruction of an m26 pershing

[Major Hartmann]

Originally Posted by Karst

i think the nashorn would be awesome.....but in fact it does not use the same hull as wespe, which is a panzer II hull
nashorn has a modified panzerIV hull, and was armed with a pak 43/1 L/71, which was even more powerful than the king tiger's

a nashorn was also responsible for the only destruction of an m26 pershing

Right, let's ignore the fact that the Kingtigers Kwk 88mmL71 was nearly the same gun as the Pak 88mmL71.....

[Ohioan]

The center of balance was different and the muzzle break was different, as well as some other insignificant changes (as far as FH is concerned) but that was it. Same ammo, nearly the same penetration values.

[Major Hartmann]

That's what I meant. One was a tankgun, the other was a fieldgun, but real "gun" part of the cannons were nearly identical.

[Neighbor Kid]

Wow who they hell would give up there plane in the air. i would just turn teh dorsal turret and let loose while there beside me!

[Major Hartmann]

Well, some people who don't want to die perhaps?

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For the US, the improved bazzoka rocket that was adopted in october of 1943. It had a boosted penetration over the older rocket. The M6A3C is on the top-

http://www.inert-ord.net/atrkts/bazoo/index.html




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a easy one for the soviets, while not really a variant woudl be to give the russians a shovel (IFRC they still have knife?). They to had entrenching tools so it could just be stuck in there slot.



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Bunch of idea's for germany-

The 163 saw most of its use earlier in the war, so for alpen the Me263/Ju248, the a development of 163 could be done eventually. It could re-use the flight code with rocket fuel etc, and some parts of the fuselage.

As it was, the factory was over-run by the soviets who did some tests on the existing protoype, and developed another rocket interceptor from it. It was scheduled for production at the end of the war by germany though, and corrected many of the faults of the 163.

http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/walter/me263.htm



Another variant of the regular 163 which in fact saw operational use, was ones eqipped with R4m rockets, and another with a special optically fired anti-bomber one.

http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163/anders16.htm


These R4M rockets are already coded on a 262 variant so this would be a more striaght forward variant of the 163.

Another inetesting system that saw operational use was SG500 Jagerfausr system, which could be put on blacknight potentiall or a 45 map with british bombers.
http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163/weapon01.htm

These are of course pretty low-use or experminatal weapons, but interestinh possiblities for variants nevertheless. Back to more normal things-

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Randomized skins for K98ks!! The finishes on K98k's varied significantyl many weapons were converted from older M98s from ww1 and some were made from different types of wood. Also field conditions could effect the coloration too. Also the metal varied, one some having a farker blued finish and other a more silverly metallic look.

a very tiny pic, but shows some of the varianton.

some more pics of K98k's-->
http://heer2ndpanzer.tripod.com/MVC-444S.JPG


Iv have since found that the M98 (GEW 98) was indeed pressed into service in ww2, but the 20 round magainze was very likely onlt experemted with at the end of ww1. It had problems because it was so hard to load bullets into.

The the older M98 could be on berlin or early war maps (poland), where a older weapons was more likely to be use. Germany used a wide variety of mauser variants both made by them, and by other coutnries pressed into service. Here is some of the ones of germany over the years. Some of these were used, some werent in ww2.
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http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/arti...mauser/002.jpg
A good overview of early mauser's-->
http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/arti...user/index.htm

Note that the K98k of ww2 was only finalized in 1935 (one k being for karabiner (carbine) and the other for kurz (short)). The earlier types that were around consited of such types as the K98b etc.

a olde mauser, the M98 (i.e GEW 98). Note the longer barrel and straight bolt.


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For the Mp43/Mp44/Stg44 rifles, one variant taht could be done is to make a grenadier attachment for the weapon.


http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=50372

It could fire the regualr german AT, HE, or smoke rifle nades. As a special, some of the more rare SS rifle nades could be done as well for it, though im not sure how much the SS actually used mp44s.

For 1942 maps the the predeccesor to the mp43/mp44/stg44, the Mkb42(h) could be done. There were over 11000 or so produced in 43 so it could go on some 43 year maps. To put that in perspective only about ~5000 or so FG-42s are generally recognized as having been made.

the Mkb42(h) the winner of the Mkb competition. Ther was a walter Mkb42(w) too but that was the looser.


For a very good overview of the development of thse rife check this site out--->
http://www.cruffler.com/historic-february00.html


The germans also used a near exact clone of the 1911, the browning 1935 pistol made by FN in belgium and was renamed the P35(b).

http://www.gunpics.net/german/p35b/p35b.html

A variant of the C7P could be the nazi captured one, with a redone-skin in panzer gray.



Iv mentioned this before, but anyway another piece of captured eqipemnt the germans used were ppsh, rechambered to 9mm. It was called the MG 717(r) and was often modified to use MP40 clips.
http://www.ppsh41.com/ppsh2.html
http://www.ppsh41.com/Wehrmt.htm

And finally, the scoped Mg32 on a tripod, aka the 'lafette-34'. Which allthough is actually WIP, I dunno if its being done. Im re-suggesting it as I think it could be very usufull on maps like charlie, where it can be hard to make out people on the beache.

http://heer2ndpanzer.tripod.com/MVC-866S.JPG

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Not sure totally which version is in fh of the 163, but a least some had a mortor fuels that resulted in a purple contrail.

http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/walter/me163a.htm

The Me.163.A used the Walter RII-203 motor. Hydrogen peroxide (T-Stoff) was used as the fuel oxidised by a potassium permanganate solution, known as Z-Stoff. Potassium permangante has a characteristic livid violet color, and once the Me.163A was in motion, the exhaust plume of the motor was a purple trail.

Another thing is that the motors power could be controlled by adjusting the flowrate. The current press fire to use rocket is a neat system, but a more regular conrol system could proably be experamented with, of course the current system captures the lack carrying a lot of fuel particulally well so might not be worth bothering with.

Another wierd little option, which also saw operational use was a special version of the 262. Baisally a 262 that also came with a rockert motor.
From the earlier site- http://www.walter-rockets.i12.com/ato/me262i.htm
(not smike coming out back)

One weapon could remain the cannon, but the other could be the code from the 163 for rocket boost.
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stg44 vampir. a very low used infared scope system. Maybe for a berlin night map, if some sort of psuedo infared system could be figured out. If done done the psuedo infared coudl be used on some tanks and aircraft that also used infared sighting sytems inlcuding varia Allied and axis eqipment. For example, infrared scopes were also some use by us forces in the pacific on rifles.




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Has been talked about elsewhere, but nevethless here it is. panerfaust 150, re-suggesting it as this one source it did see some use. So perhaps it could go as a pick-up kit on seelow and berlin.


http://pacificcoast.net/~gmax/ordnance/p150m.htm

They say it saw limted service by the end of the war, and quite powerfull. Or this could be given to the assualt class, and the regular at class could have the shreck. THere is of course even another development, the panzerfaust 250, but this never entere production and could really ever go on alpen, so proably not worth it. Another variant of the 150, was a 105 eqipped with a fragmentaion sleeve for killing infantry riding tank.

This is the only pic I found of what is supose to be a 250. One is a regular war head, and the other is a HE.


not a variant but on the same toy mode site, kinda interesting, a personal AA weapon the Fliegerfaust/B .

http://www.gijoecanada.com/misc.htm




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Lot interesting idea's for variants from anlush mentioned elsewhere

Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Panzer II ausf L Luchs. About 104 built



However for PzII I want the Panzer II ausf J, about 57 built. 80mm frontal armor and some had a 50mm main gun, some others had a 30mm Mk103 canon. And look at those big fat tracks, all the better for going over soft ground



VK.1602 Leopard light tank. Basically a mini panther with schmalturm and 50mm L/60. IIRC only 2 built before project cancelled.


Granatewurfer ausf 38(t) 8cm mortar carrier


Aufklarungspanzer 38(t). Basically a Hetz...er, Jagdpanzer 38(t) hull with Sd.Kfz.222 turret and 2cm gun on the top and no hull gun.


150mm SIG33 on a Jagdpanzer 38(t) hull


Bergerhetzer 38(t) ARV


Waffentrager Krupp Ardet 8.8cm L/71 Pak 43

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