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This doesnt seem like such a hard vehicle to add actually, just take the Wespe and change the gun to a Pak40, take the back cover off and make it useable by one person, poof you have it

Over at BFE we sorta made one by just changing the gun on the Wespe and it looks pretty good, still takes two people to use and the covers on the back still but its pretty interesting

i doubt it, if its just like the wespe then why make a new one, get in a wespe and pretend your driving one. I think they should only put in vehicles that are needed, like the pz 3

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Originally Posted by Vertical345

i doubt it, if its just like the wespe then why make a new one, get in a wespe and pretend your driving one. I think they should only put in vehicles that are needed, like the pz 3

its uses the same chassis as the wespe and shares a similar shape, thats about it

http://www.msu.edu/user/storto/marderii.jpg
just saying it wouldnt be too hard to convert to FH, hell id do it if I could it doesnt look like too much work modeling and such

Actually the chassis of the Marder II and Wespe is the Panzer II chassis. For some reason the FH panzer 2 is much smaller than the wespe's chassis, so either they have to shrink the Wespe or enlarge the Panzer II... I know what I would prefer. Now, there would be a big difference between a Marder II and a Wespe. You could use the marder to actually attack tanks, with a wespe that is suicide, unless you're extremely good with it and get a direct hit every time you shoot.

yea the marder would be pretty handy actually, same gun as the pak40 and its pretty good

i see it driving like a stug but with more movement for the gun

Ya I would like a bison aswell or even a hummel

elephant or a ferdinand

EDIT: its a mauder I that we have at bfe

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Originally Posted by axkgkadragon

elephant or a ferdinand

EDIT: its a mauder I that we have at bfe

do we REALLY need an elephant or ferdinand? really? for kursk, already a very large amount of panthers and tigers and other long barreled AFV's. After kursk, many of the elephants were regulated to stationary defenses in italy. the elephant is kinda like the sturmtiger, but marginally more useful

Hey, the Elephant rocks... It's extremely deadly against tanks, not comparable to the Sturmtiger, that was more like a Mortar after all.

I always thought we needed more Artillery.

The last Ferdinands/Elephants were used in the defense of Berlin...

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Originally Posted by D-Fens

I think the Panzer II has the proper size, it's the Wespe that needs some downsizing.

Watch the vehicles in the homepage of the FH,the marder ll is there

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Originally Posted by Nagato

Watch the vehicles in the homepage of the FH,the marder ll is there

so is alot of stuff that is low poly and has been remodelled.

The FH homepage needs major updating.

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Originally Posted by Gocad

I think the Panzer II has the proper size, it's the Wespe that needs some downsizing.

IIRC that is because the Wespe is a original DICE vehicle and the Panzer II is a FH model.

I for one cant wait til FH puts the Marders in game, as some Marders were used in North Africa.

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Originally Posted by Anlushac11

IIRC that is because the Wespe is a original DICE vehicle and the Panzer II is a FH model.

I for one cant wait til FH puts the Marders in game, as some Marders were used in North Africa.

Armor: 5-30mm :lol:

Armament: 75mm Pak 40/2 L/46
1 x 7.92mm MG34 :nodding:

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Originally Posted by 42

Armor: 5-30mm :lol:

Armament: 75mm Pak 40/2 L/46
1 x 7.92mm MG34 :nodding:

Its not a assault gun, think of it as a really big sniper rifle mounted on a PzII chassis.

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Originally Posted by Anlushac11

Its not a assault gun, think of it as a really big sniper rifle mounted on a PzII chassis.

on that note too bad tanks cant zoom

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Originally Posted by lukav

on that note too bad tanks cant zoom

True but even then armor on a Marder'S is so thin that you have to make good use of cover and mobility to snipe. The Marder driver who diesnt change location will die.

I personally do not like to use tanks where in one shot to the front your gone. Thanks to some dodgy coding only a few tanks and tanks hit by the King Tiger die in one shot to the front, although latly its taken me 2 shots with the KT to kill a firefly a range to the front :(

I can't wait to use tank destroyers in-game :)

Yesterday I was playing Breakthrough and was using my beloved Stug. I managed to survive two rounds without being killed or even hit by a single shell or rocket. And there were some skilled pilots hunting our tanks down. I was hidden somewhere and just sniping tanks that came near (or far :D ). I spent most of the time in the commander cupola searching and observing the battlefield. It was really fun. I also saw some serious teamplay on allied side - well, i didnt see a tank for a long time, then a whole collumn (2 ff and 3 cromwells) passed me by and...they didnt know what hit them. :naughty:

Personally i rather want to see the Nashorn in the game as any other tank hunter,because i think this was able to knock the T-34 from 3km,and i read somewhere that one Nashorn Destroyed a IS2 from 4,5km

Oh sh*t
not i think,i know...

Yeah, Nashorn is a beast, it carries long barelled 88, similar to one on King Tiger :)

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Originally Posted by Nagato

Well, that IS2 killed was just some very lucky hit - as were considered all hits beyond a range of 2,500 meters. Sure, it gives great credit to the 8,8 Pak 43 used in the Nashorn, but still...

And about those 3km...no argument either, I think. FH maps are much to small usually to make use of that combat range. Most tank combats are led at 350 meters distance, at maximum. Usually tank combat is CQ anyway.

And although you'd probably be able to kill anything with the first hit, that game is played by two: even the T34-76 would kill your Nashorn with a single hit. Using a T34-85 shell to kill that Nashorn would almost be a waste of ammo, not to talk about an IS2's shell.

Production numbers of the Nashorn are close to some 500, according to www.achtungpanzer.com. Whereas 1,000 Marders were built of the III H series alone; some 3,500 Marders were built or converted altogether.

The Marder series is a totally different thing than the Nashorn. The Marder came up by a time when the Germans had no effective weapon to fight the T34. It was needed. There were no Tigers or Panthers in 1941 - not even a Panzer 4 F2 until late that year, IIRC. The Germans had to fight the T34 with tanks like the Panzer 3 H (J series production had started in March, 1941) and the Panzer 4D. In other words, you'd have underarmored (ca. 40 mm max) tanks with short-barrelled 7,5 mm guns resp. underarmored tanks (max 50 mm straight) with a rather long-barrelled, but rather small caliber (50mm) gun against the T34. Which was the best tank of its time overall - and way superior to anything the Germans had when "Operation Barbarossa" started.

By the time the Nashorn appeared, the Panther and Tiger were already in mass production or nearly so. In other words, the Nashorn is just a vehicle to get the 88 PaK 43 mobile. It was a nice extra, so to speak. The Marder, however, is a vehicle needed to fight the most dangerous enemies and was usually vital to the troops, AFAIK.

Or put yet another way: the Marder is necessary for maps til 1942, the Nashorn isn't necessary at all, I think.

EDIT: If we aren't getting the Panzer 3 any time soon, there should be a Marder even more so. It would add quite a bit of balance to the 1941 / early 1942 maps. Anyone like fighting the Mathilda II in a Panzer 2? Or going against a Crusader III in a Panzer 4D? No? Well, here you are...