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[SYN] hydraSlav June 17th, 2004 08:14 AM

Japanese Ballon Bombs
 
To follow everyone's lead that post suggestions for new vehicles/weapons that they just saw on the History channel or found on the Internet, here is my suggestion to add to the game:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slashdot
a little-known method used by the Japanese during WWII - hydrogen-filled paper balloons with deadly payloads floated without a guidance-system across the Pacific. Both amazing low-tech warfare and a cautionary tale about censorship during wartime.


Source: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/17/0045224

Articles: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/history/wwii/jbb.htm, http://collections.ic.gc.ca/balloons/ (this one got a nice diagram)

2ltben June 17th, 2004 08:43 AM

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Those things were unmanned and sent along the jet stream. There's no way in hell we can use those in maps except for one or two static models of them waiting to lift off.

StrangerThanFiction June 17th, 2004 09:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 2ltben
There's no way in hell we can use those in maps...

I think that was his point.

[SYN] hydraSlav June 17th, 2004 09:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StrangerThanFiction
I think that was his point.

You are right, it actually was :nodding:

However, these could be used the same way as automated B17s in BG42. Those automated B17s, although having lost of hitpoints, are fully interactive (it's possible to shoot them down... over loooong time). We could have these bombs flying at medium level on pacific maps from Axis towards the Allied side (lets assume the Japs would be smart enough and not lauch these if the wind was the wrong way). This will make life tough for the allied planes (and ground troops too, if we manage to make these bombs explode randomly)

StrangerThanFiction June 17th, 2004 11:36 AM

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Well it's theoretically possible, but I think Major Hartmann has a 'few' things to do that might be more urgent.;)

Maybe some fan could put it in a minimod: FH:SWOWWII (Silly Weapons of World War II). The allies could get the Bat Bomb.

Myrddraal June 17th, 2004 12:04 PM

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In the FH:SWOWWII they could also include the Polish calvary charge against German panzers. Although that might have to be included in a FH:SIOWWII (Stupid Ideas of World War II) minimod.

judge reinhold June 17th, 2004 12:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Myrddraal
In the FH:SWOWWII they could also include the Polish calvary charge against German panzers. Although that might have to be included in a FH:SIOWWII (Stupid Ideas of World War II) minimod.

that never happened and was entirely nazi propaganda so you are a nazi for believing it

Myrddraal June 17th, 2004 12:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by judge reinhold
that never happened and was entirely nazi propaganda so you are a nazi for believing it

A nazi?!?!?!?! Holy shit I never knew! Well aparently I am, since a complete moron on the internet who doesn't know me said I was. You sir, are an idiot.

I think Mr. reinhold here is pulling down the collective IQ of humanity. It is people like him that make you feel sad for the future of children everywhere.

D-Fens June 17th, 2004 12:41 PM

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Actually it was Italian journalists that made it up so YOU ARE DEMOTED TO FASCIST:mad:

Artie Bucco June 17th, 2004 12:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by judge reinhold
that never happened and was entirely nazi propaganda so you are a nazi for believing it



Supa Slammed!!!!!

Myrddraal June 17th, 2004 12:54 PM

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"Most known is the cavalry 'charge' on 1.September 1939 in the area of the 'passage' between Pommern and Danzig.

What really happenend was that two squadrons of the 18th Polish Lancer Regiment, under instruction of Colonel Kazimierz Mastelarz tried to surprise a German infantry unit (belonging to German 20th Motorised Infantry Division).

By late afternoon, with a company of tankettes of the 81st Armoured Troop the 18th Lancers were holding the most northern Polish positions near Chojnice while the remainder of the Pomorska Cavalry Brigade fell back southward. The Regimental Colonel Kazimierz Mastelarz had already sought permission to fall back across the Bzura River, which was in his rear to a more easily defendable and less risky position.

Permission had been refused. By late afternoon Mastelarz decided he had no choice but to take some sort of active initiative on his own. Abandoning the broken down tankettes he mounted half his men giving him a force of less than two normal line squadrons.

He aimed to outflank German infantry positions and take them from the rear. At about 7 P.M. the Poles came across German infantry in a forest clearing. Determined upon a surprise attack Mastelarz swept into the clearing with a mounted sabre charge that annihilated the German units. The Poles chased the German infantrymen in the gallopp, when a German armoured car unit (and possibly Panzer I), which had arrived on the scene.

The German vehicles emerged around the corner (left hand side of the area being charged were some woods which took a left hand curve). Colonel Mastelarz then had two possibilities: stop the attack and turn and make flight - and being shot to pieces by the automatic cannons of the German vehicles (or tank machine guns)before getting out of shooting distance. Or head straight for the tanks and disappear between them (and thus put the Germans at risk, mutually to shoot themselves) and finallly into forest area.

Mastelarz decided for the second possibility. Bystanders could take this as a cavalry charge. In truth it was a desperate, but ingenious escape attempt. The Germans were so surprised of the sight of the 'charging' cavalry that they hardly fired. Colonel Mastelarz actually succeeded in saving his units. 20 men were lost. On the next day Italian reporters visited the place of the happening, where German officers told them, on the basis the dead cavallerists, of the 'antiquated and helpless' charge.

A myth was born."


German's also used Calvary (most german guns were horse drawn)

Look at this topic . . . . balloon bombs were never used on troops, and Bat bombs . . . . it is a ridiculus posting. Including Calvary in FH (even though they were used all over in WWII) is not a serious suggestion.

Humor . . . look into it :)

Froggin_Ashole42 June 17th, 2004 01:01 PM

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Is that how the Polish got the stereotype of being stupid?

USMA2010 June 17th, 2004 02:27 PM

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seeing as how they only killed 3 ppl (a dad and his kids), no farking way.

Elessar Telcontar June 17th, 2004 04:23 PM

Re: Japanese Ballon Bombs
 
Horses are impossible to animate correctly in the BF engine. Siege tried, but their horses look... weird.

Anyway, other suggestions for FH:SWOWWII:

Russian dogs with explosives.
Japanese AT (Guy in a hole with explosives).

USMA2010 June 17th, 2004 05:14 PM

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not really explosives. used 500 and 200 kg bombs. but noone would do that shit'

hydraSlav June 18th, 2004 12:11 PM

Re: Japanese Ballon Bombs
 
Do you realise how funny it iss tomread this thread when you arre drunke? LOL

2ltben June 18th, 2004 12:14 PM

Re: Japanese Ballon Bombs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Myrddraal
In the FH:SWOWWII they could also include the Polish calvary charge against German panzers. Although that might have to be included in a FH:SIOWWII (Stupid Ideas of World War II) minimod.

They charged the Russians. They actually broke out too.


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