Add this stuff to Karelia

[Rikupsoni]

Sorry then. Finnish "proverb" If you kill one russian, always two russians come.


If Russia wanted some extra zone, it was expensive; ~280 000 soldiers, was it worth it?

[Huffardo]

Originally Posted by [SYN] hydraSlav

Yeah, and i am Russian, and i know "my side". Which side is "correct" can't be proven. Even if you ask the veterans who participated in it first hand, Finns will say what you said, Russians will say what i said.
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I never said that, i got nothing against it

It might be possible to prove if somebody someday find documents in Russian archieves, but it won't happen too soon, if ever, I guess.

I'm sorry, I had no idea whatsoever you were Russian, you haven't your location in your profile... Not that Russian education about the wars agaisnt Finland would be too correct, but still, being Russian gives IMO you a right to speak whatever you want in this matter.
The Russian revolution gave us the chance to become independent, so in that matter Lenin gave us freedom, but the government before the revolution had problems in ww1 and wouldn't have much time to attack Finland, so independence might have been possible even without the revolution. But whatever Lenin wanted he had no choice but let Finland become independent, he had all chances to loose control in Russia and therefore had to concentrate on keeping it.
His lack of power was seen in the Finnish civil war when he couldn't help the red side more than he did (mostly due to peace with Germany), and the conservative white side won the war and slaughtered a lot of the loosing side. If he had been able to do what he wanted he should have been able to send troops to support a socialist country with sympathies to the Soviet union. Lenin did actually never get that kind of total power Stalin got, although he maybe wanted it, he died too early.

Stalin wanted the whole country, or at least most of it, why would medals for the Heroes who captured Helsinki etc. otherwise have been needed? The whole country would have been a much better buffert zone than only those parts he asked for, so he calculated that we wouldn't accept his unfair proposal and would give him a reason to invade. Maybe he also wanted to test his army in combat before meeting harder opponents, who knows.

You could try searching a bit on the Internet, but I don't know what kind of info you will find, even one supposedly semiofficial/official educational place wrote that Finland attacked the CCCP on the Winter War. I know that even some Finnish veterans might say things besides the truth, but Soviet vets really have reasons to, they have to believe in what they say because they don't like doing wrong, and therefore it is easier to be called a hero if you the only thing you really did was killing civilians, old people, children and women, and destroying their property. They might not always even know the thruth themselves, some might have believed the propanganda they were told, and some might still be too scared to tell the truth. And some will say the truth, as already seen in e.g. TV documents.


That last part with "...forgotten..." was to FactionRecon, I forgot to mention it.

[D-Fens]

Originally Posted by -Moldie-

Well look at that..it changed! Therefore you're wrong! The smaller battles should have the least priority, people would rather play with PZ3's then friggin goddamn 7tps and stupid "one difference" weapons.

So basicly what you're saying is that if Amaccan hadn't joined the team with his Polish minimod and complete 7TP the team would have completed the Panzer III faster.

[terminal-strike]

You all know there's a whole mod for finland right- http://www.finnwars.com/

Its neat to see these smaller armies in FH, but they take a huge amount of work for what they offer. I would take many other things before a bunch of finnish stuff, especially since its only on that 1 map that I don't even like much anway.

For the bunch of new weapon models, flags, and voice commands for the finns there's other armies that would take priority. I mean comon the Italians and French aren't even in yet.

In the interim, though if your desperate for finland stuff there's a whole mod there. I ahven't tried it yet but it looks pretty cool.

[Huffardo]

FW hasn't coop support and they aren't going to make some, or that's what they said at their forums. And I happen to like coop, but of course I like Karelia too, so maybe I am just odd.

[Jagd]

Well the real motivator would be if some of the mappers would come up with some more Polish and Finnish maps to use the equipment. If there are many places to show off the equipment, it becomes more easy to justify the modelling and coding.

[[SYN] hydraSlav]

Originally Posted by Rikupsoni

Sorry then. Finnish "proverb" If you kill one russian, always two russians come.

NP, sorry if i sounded rude. Hehe, and in this case, it was 2 Russians vs 2 Finns

Originally Posted by Rikupsoni

If Russia wanted some extra zone, it was expensive; ~280 000 soldiers, was it worth it?

Was Stallingrad battle worth it? After all, it was just rubble, but they were still fighting for it. This is along the same principle.

Originally Posted by -Moldie-

Well look at that..it changed! Therefore you're wrong! The smaller battles should have the least priority, people would rather play with PZ3's then friggin goddamn 7tps and stupid "one difference" weapons

Yeah, and "branching to cover other areas" does not mean "lose focus on the original goal". If it branches to cover all areas, there should be equal emphasis on all of them, and since there is already plenty of Panzers, it's time for something new

[-Moldie-]

Look at how many pnz3's were made compared to how many 7tps..

[D-Fens]

So it's Amaccans job?

[[SYN] hydraSlav]

Originally Posted by -Moldie-

Look at how many pnz3's were made compared to how many 7tps..

Oh yea? Look at how many Russian soldiers died, far more then any other country (maybe not Japan, i don't know the exact figures). So according to your logic, we should just have Russian soldiers in the mod just because there was more of them? Yeah sure ..... what an argument ....

We already have plenty of German tanks, some 7tps (don't even know what it is) would be really nice