Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 (FG 42)
 

what about bringing some new german infantry weapons to the game like the Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 (FG 42) for exemple ???
i noticed on many maps, that some allied infantry waepons are way too strong, especiallay the russian PPSh submachinegun (a 7,62mmx25 doing much more damage than 9mm parabellum). the mp 38 and 40 was a good submachine gun, slightly not as good as the PPSh, but against that gun there is nearly no chance for german infantry on the early war maps. in my opinion not everything has to be exactly balanced for playability but the PPSh is something like an Übergun in FH 0.61 (i think it's nearly as precise fired while running as a light german machingegun fired gone prone). I think the other guns are ok, even the better us carabines (you still have a chance against them).

i think there are 2 ways:

1. weaken the russian PPSh a little bit or

2. give the germans a new weapon on some of the german vs soviet maps.
for example the Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/fg42-05.jpg
7.62x57 mm 800rpm and 751m/s muzzle velocity

it's an airborne assault rifle which could also be used as a light machinegun (and with that x57 (lenth of the shell -> propellant) there is a reason for some amount of damage, compared with the x25 and the way too high damage of the PPSh)

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dude - there is already a kind of equal to the ppsh - its in teh game but not used much. the stg44 - is not as good up close as the ppsh - but it owns at distance

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It also owns at short distance now.... In 0.61 the 7.92x33 was too weak since I based the damage on inaccurate data....

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THe FG-42 was a Luftwaffe´s weapon and not owned by the Heer.

The FG-42 was the first real general purpose gun, the model 3 was the only one seeing combat action, while the first two were prototype issues, build in very few numbers.

The model 3 featured a bayonett, bipod, 4x scope, and a recoil compensation integrated into the buttstock. It was often used as sniper rifle.

The FG-42 saw first service in September 1943 at the "Rescue of Mussolini".

It would be great, if that could be made an objective map with Mussolini as a bot.

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The FG42 was used by paratroopers, also in the Battle of the Bulge and Monte cassino.

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looks like it would be fun in fh cause they could make it all historically right and stuff. not like the one in SWoWW2. looks like itd be a fun gun to use

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Well, it wold be similar to the BAR, but probably better aiming for worse full auto accuracity.

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I belive this has been modeled and skinned..

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mmmm fg42 that would be nice. With a bipod scope and a full sized rifle cartidge and its light weight what more could a para infantryman ask for? It would about as deadly as the k98 is

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Is the FG42 in .61 and if so where?

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The FG42 will be in .62 i belive. It's on the list of 5 or so new handweapons.

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How about a PPS43? The stamped metal SMG that was even more prevalent then the PPsH41? It had a 30 round box mag, same ammo.. slightly lower ROF. It was common in 43-45, developed because the PPsH was very expensive and complicated to make.

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Cool facts about the FG42!

-Only 4000 were made!
-Due to its small size, it had a very powerfull recoil.
-It was a Support Gun, yup, like the BAR! The MG42 also had a 4x scope. So did the 34.
-The reason why only 4000 were made were, MG42!
-20 Round Clip.

Having said that... It is my humble oppinion that.

1. Bar and weapons like Bar such as Bren and this FG42, act like support/assault rifles. The Bren had no recoil, due to its design, but the Bar did pack a light punch. The FG42 was a monster. But it is in my oppinion that these weapons should act like SMG's to a degree. Higher recoil but they shouldnt have a 5 hour wait for crosshairs to settle.

2. Add the 30CalM3, bipod version, into the arsenal. A nice counter balance idea.

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Yeah I'd like to see a scoped MG42/34. That would be the ultimate ownage.

I think the Scoped STG44 is a little bit lame. The non-zoomed crosshairs should be there still, given that it has a weak zoom and only 3 clips, along with crazy recoil.

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I have suggested that as well Brens,Bars,Type 99s, etc should act like the AK 47 in CS (pardon me for the comparison). They should be useable in close quarters but a good submachinegunner could still side step them.


Ohioan the PPS42/43 used a 35 round box magazine (contrary to popular belif it was not interchangable with the PPsh 41s 35 round magazine) production at least IMO warrants its creation. PPsh 41 was not that difficult to produce but the PPs 43 was cheaper.

Also stop bitching about the PPsh 41 it was better than the MP 40 no matter how you slice it or dice. It was a prized war trophey in German hands and with good reason.

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ya i hope the 30 cal is in .62

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xww2's 30cal looks great, only hope fh has one better .
http://www.experienceww2.com/~baracus/30cal-s1_big.jpg
http://www.experienceww2.com/%7Ebara...cal-s2_big.jpghttp://www.experienceww2.com/%7Ebara...cal-s3_big.jpghttp://www.experienceww2.com/%7Ebaracus/30cal_big.jpg

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eugh. photoskins.

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the barrel looks a little long on their 30. Is that map a remake of bocage? (I dont have xwwii)

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yes it is, it's pretty cool.

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What's wrong with photoskins? By the way will the .30 cal be in .62 along with the correct German tripods for the MG-34/42?

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Well 1str off the fg42 was not produced in large numbers for a few different reasons. 1 beeing it had alot of parts and was difficult to produce. It was a very slow to produce weapon. Its still very light and a compact weapon only a pound or 2 heavier than a rifle and roughly about 7,8 pounds lighter than a bar. It should be very easy to get into postion with it compared to any mg but the recoil is gonna be hell and it was very loud to.

As for the ppsh compare a 7.62x25 to a 9x19. The ppsh's round has alot more zip than the shorter heavier 9mm round

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Oh, no!

The FG42 is faaaar superior to the obsolete BAR, made in 1918.

It has much less weight with only 5 kilos, compared to almost 9 kilos the BAR has.

The recoil compensation, worked to a certain degree and the recoil was reduced with it in comparison to the model 1 and 2 protos. Also it the recoil had a "pull back" rather than a "pull up" effect.

The only thing they can be compared is their effective range and stopping power.

The FG-42 is far more versatile and can be used as an assault rifle, a sniper rifle, and as support weapon. A real multi talent (as it was meant to be).



Nonsense! The Bren, Type99, BAR and such were heavy and obsolete machine guns, thanks to their obsolete clip feding. The were bulky, heavy, but that´s because they were already old.

http://www.waffeninfo.net/waff_fg42.php

http://www.waffenhq.de/infanterie/fg42.html

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Box? I belive they used the "Stick" magazine bend like a banana.. To be more exact.. Like the AK-47 magazine.

http://www.brooksmilitaria.com/Misc/PPSh-43.jpg

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Mmmm wonder where they got the machinegun code from.

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FG42 was magazine fed so does that make it obsolete? The BAR may have been heavier but a skilled user could use it alot easier on full auto when compared to a German using an FG42 the BARs wieght helped control its recoil.

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If there realy are 5 new handguns in the next release of fh i am hoping that they are something likes this

-m1a1 carbine (folding stock m1 carbine for paratroopers) for maps like carentan,foy and bulge
-thompson 1928 for early american maps
-sten mk2 for earlier brits maps before d day
-fg 42
-luger :beer:

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I can only remember 3, there are a couple more i think though.

FG-42
Thompson with drum mag
K-98

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thomspon with drum mag????? omg my bf name can come true.My names Al Capone you see and with a tommy gun..... look out japs

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The FG-42 was belt fed, but instead of the BAR, which had to play a role similar to the Bren, Type 99 and the .30 cal the FG42 had a "multitask" role.

A belt would hinder it´s carrier to much then. The BAR was meant for giving supressive fire in order to help the assaulters, but that "supressive" was not really "impressive" compared to a belt-fed MG34 or 42.

The BAR still saw service, coz the .30 was not as portable ansd the US army had no 11 kilo MG34.

The FG-42 is superior to the BAR in it´s whole characteristics. That includes it´s weight, mobility, versatility and technology.

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The FG-42 was belt fed? Will you tell me next that the K98k had a 50rnd Drum mag and a 800rpm RoF?

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i thought the fg 42 was a clip from the side :eek:

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I think it's a quite nice idea, altough it should probably only be in one or two maps to present its rarity.

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I'm assumeing it will be a pickup kit on maps like bulge, bogage, breakthrough, any map where paratroop kits are present.

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- Yes.. it had a side clip.. which made the gun heavier on the left side..So it was little harder to controle and keep straight when not using the bi-pod..

Ive always liked this gun though.. One of the nicer looking weapons of the war.. The MG-42 takes the cake with that honour..

- He probably just made the mistake in thinking MG-42.. A simple mistake. But one that can get you eaten alive on a forum if your with a bunch of WWII buffs trying to show that they are superior in knowledge.. :)

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But except for this little mistake, move is correct. BAR: WWI weapon and outdated in WWII. FG 42: straight shoulder stock directing recoil backwards (as adopted for the M60, along with some other features), recoil-damped, weight only 5kg with ammo, and the best: able to fire with open bolt (auto) and closed bolt (s.shot). Not comparable and by far superior especially as an specialist´s all-round weapon. Support weapon, bah. Would like to know the sources of some self-proclaimed weapon experts. But check the sites for correct infos and the FG´s preferences...
Some word about FG 42 production numbers: the mentioned 524 rifles in 1944 and 3873 in 1945 were produced for the Heer, not the Luftwaffe, as stated by Fritz Hahn, much later than production for the Luftwaffe which had already been stopped. Production numbers for the Luftwaffe are difficult to find.

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McGibs-

That's great news that a drum magazine will be made for the thompson in .62. However, are the devs planning on making a new M1928 and M1A1 model to replace the shitty Dice thompson?

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Ah, sorry typing mistake!

It was clip fed. Otherwise this sentence would make no sense.

The MG42 is the FG-42´s mother, so it could have made belt fed, but that would not serve it´s purpose.

Nevertheless the FG-42 is more of an assault rifle than it is an LMG.

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I actualy rather like the dice thompson it looks realy good.But im not complaing about a new one going by fh's standard of weapons.What i realy want back is fh's 0.5 m1 garrand model with the new dice garrands coding.This would be great.And latly does anyone know anything about the johnson LMG? or did dice just make it up for canadians?

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I belive that the Thompson with deum mag was not so common because it rattled like hell when you fired it. When the bullet's were going in to the Thompson.. That made much more noice the needed so the "Stick" magazine was much more common.

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Yeh, but the brits used it alot in africa. I'd imagine weight and mobility would be more of an issue then noise.

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The drum mag thompson was used up until 1943 when it was replaced in numbers by the m1a1 thompson (clip) The brits used it in the desert and the americans used it in the pacific on maps like wake and philipenes.Oh and is it the thompson 1928 or the oldest tommy gun from just after ww1?

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[QUOTE=Driver]The MG42 also had a 4x scope. So did the 34.

The Bren had no recoil, due to its design,[\QUOTE]

um, AFAIK, neither of the MGs had a scope, and the Bren had recoil IIRC, since it wasnt a recioless rifle

and slightly OT: just read in a history book that toward the end of the war american units began to be issued 57mm recoiless rifles, any chance that we will see these?

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The main disadvantages with a drum magazine is that it's difficult to carry spare magazines, and that it takes long time to reload a drum magazine (not attaching a new magazine to the gun, but reloading the magazine itself.)

The russians also realized this, so late in the war, russian smg'ers were issued with 35 round box magazines for their ppsh's, however, most of them also managed to get hold of a drum as initial load.

In addition, it is easier to produce guns that only accept box magazines.

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I don't know if you've noticed but on the Dice Thompson the two fins on top of the gun that are part of the sights are way too close together. Another thing Dice screwed up on the Thompson are the ejection ports. There should only be one instead of two. Also, Dice forgot to add the manufacture and ID numbers to the gun.

Click on the link below to learn more about the legendary Thompson SMG.

http://www.world.guns.ru/smg/smg29-e.htm

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Brits used the M1928 moslty with 20 round magazines. I myself wouldn't mind the 20 round magazines seeing as the Thompson kicks ass right now just give the guy 8-10 extra mags.

Speaking of the Phillipines the map should be redone and should focus on the Japanese invasion of Luzon.