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stylie January 19th, 2010 12:42 PM

1972-2010
 
What is the significance of this time frame?

Its been 38 years since Massachusetts has sent a Republican senator to Washington. Yes, ladies and germs, if you are not aware, today is the special election to fill the seat left by Teddy Kennedy. It was widely assumed that as usual, the Democrat would be a shoe-in. And she was. As early as 1/1/10, Democratic hopeful Martha Coakley was widely assumed to just step in. But through a series of miscalculations, complacency etc... young upstart Scott Brown has already surpassed her in the pre-election polls and this guy is hungry. This looks mighty bad for the dems... the majority... and even the health care bill entirely. It may die on the vine, so to speak.

Bad candidate? Bad Campaign? Or are the people of Mass. are as fed up with Washington as the rest of us? What do you think?


Who would have thought, Massachusetts could go right!!! That is unreal to me. :rofl:

Moose12 January 19th, 2010 01:49 PM

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Bad canidate and bad campaign. The dumb bitch said some yankee pitcher was on redsox or something like that. Brown visited 66 campaign spots while she visited 19. And when asked if she should visit more. She said, "what do you want me to do? Stand outside fenway and shakehands?" Umm, yes, that is what you should do. She's a bad campaigner. As Jon Stuart said last night, "It's not that the republicans are playing chess and the democrats are playing checkers. It's that the republicans are playing chess and the democrats are in the nurses office because they glued their balls to their legs." About sums this election up.

sheikyerbouti January 19th, 2010 05:01 PM

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It all comes down to voter turnout and IMO the Republicans (conservatives) are most likely to compel their voters to support them. The people who most likely support the Democrats are probably not going to vote in the same numbers as their counterparts and that will likely bring about some funny results.

I also find it somewhat ironic that the most progressive state when it comes to healthcare is now the biggest political hot potato in the hands of the President. If the people elect a Republican so what, this result would guarantee a better debate and probably a better healthcare package for America somewhere down the road.


Polarize the debate and give Barry O some real work to handle, he needs to earn that Nobel prize of his one of these days.

stylie January 20th, 2010 11:38 AM

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Very true, I am happy though that there will no longer be a party lock on the senate, At least now they have to invite some opposition into their closed door sessions.

AlDaja January 20th, 2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by stylie (Post 5216290)
Very true, I am happy though that there will no longer be a party lock on the senate, At least now they have to invite some opposition into their closed door sessions.

Precisely. Massachusetts is comprised largely of social-progressives and liberal leaning voters. High unemployment, plus unraveling of health reform due to partisan bickering/bribery within the party that only served to further cripple the nation economically didn't sit well. If anything, swinging the decision-making on government initiatives back toward the center of the political spectrum has made the nation 'un-pucker'. Massachusetts, essentially sent a wake up call to their party and the White House that if you fail to listen to the people they will remove you from office regardless of what party they adhere too(Just ask the Republicans!). However, I'm sure the fringe segment of the party (Nancy Pelosi) will continue to keep their heads implanted and move forward with agendas not in the best interest of America, while continuing to blame set backs on Bush, talk radio and stupid ignorant Americans who should be seen but not heard.

Interesting article from the Denver Post on the matter:

Spoiler:
The Idea Is the Problem

By David Harsanyi

Generally speaking, would you favor smaller government with fewer services or larger government with more services?


Fifty-eight percent of those polled by The Washington Post recently claimed they preferred smaller government with fewer services, with only 38 percent favoring a larger government with more services (and, yes, it is a terrific struggle not to place ironic quotations marks around the word "services").


This is the highest number for the "smaller government" category since 2002. And a full year into President Barack Obama's term, most polls and state elections tell us that the electorate is walking -- maybe sprinting? -- back from the progressive economic policies that now dominate Washington.


Some Democrats believed grousing about (the fully imagined) wild and unregulated days of the Bush years would be sufficient to pass sweeping top-down economic controls. Yet for all the presidential election-time happy talk, Americans have this sturdy historical aversion to "fundamental" reorganizations of their society.


Still other Democrats convinced themselves that surging opposition to their big plans was fabricated, paid for by insurance companies or oil companies or some other reprehensible profit-motivated boogeyman they'd conjured up. They overestimated their mandate and underestimated the electorate.


Many more Democrats continue to convince themselves that the party's problem is flawed candidates or poorly communicated messages, as White House spokesman Robert Gibbs conceded this week -- because, presumably, the idea of socializing medicine is too nuanced and intellectually rigorous for the average voter to digest.
Hardly. The predicament Democrats face is the opposite. Too many voters appreciate exactly what health care legislation entails.


This is why Congress conducts clandestine negotiations on legislation and trashes promises of transparency. This is why leading Democrats have embraced procedural tricks and senatorial bribery -- and now the possibility of "reconciliation" -- so they can adjust health care reform and pass it with a 51-vote majority. You're gonna get it whether you want it or not.


That's what happens when these Democrats lose a debate. According to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, only 33 percent of the public believes the health reform effort is a "good" idea, whereas 46 percent considers it a "bad" idea -- with 55 percent disapproving of Obama on health care.


What's most striking about this poll is that opposition to Obama's plan has increased 20 percentage points since April -- coinciding, not surprisingly, with the president's big push to convince us that it's needed. The more people learn, apparently, the less they like.


Now, I am under no grand illusions about democracy. The electorate can be mercurial and irrational -- as nearly every election proves. Nor do I believe any ethical politician should abandon his core values simply because polls tell him it would be expedient.
I say, keep fighting, Mr. President. Those of us who believe in capitalism need you.
But the fact is we have one party controlling both houses of Congress -- with historically impressive margins. We have an opposition political party Americans have lost confidence in. We have endured a frightening downturn that allowed the far left to advance a menu of stunning regulatory intrusions that normally would be non-starters.
Finally, we have a charismatic and articulate president who, armed with a nearly national landslide, was given the stage to make his pitch on health care reform.


If, with all that, the progressives cannot convince voters that the central cause of their movement is necessary, then it is not a messaging problem or a leadership problem, and it is not a Republican problem; it is an idea problem -- a terrible idea problem.




David Harsanyi - Denver Post






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