Well, you can expect a lot of irony. He who lives by the sword...
:lol:
Damn it, we the spaniardos are bizarre people, only albanians and those baltic misfits beat us down, c'mon euro pansies, kill more, you give us bad look
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Von Mudra
December 29th, 2008 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Raizok
First of all, if someone talks crime, you usually talk about crime rates, i.e. the relative amount of crime, so your argument is moot.
Let's focus on the murder rates for now. Check this nice list: List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(I loathe using Wikipedia as a basis for an argument, but a) this looks like a well updated page, and b) feel free to find contradictory data from a reputable source)
You just proved my point. Proportionally, most euro countries are about equal, if not greater, in murders then the USA, proportional to amount of population. Thanks
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Raizok
December 29th, 2008 01:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Mudra
You just proved my point. Proportionally, most euro countries are about equal, if not greater, in murders then the USA, proportional to amount of population. Thanks
Err... how much have you drank last night ?
The murder rate of e.g. Spain (which you've argued about) is considerably lower than that of the United States. And, according to the data on Wikipedia, that's the country with the greatest homicide rate among the largest EU members. Compare its peers, the UK, France (remember the riots occurring there lately?), Italy (in some parts still overrun with the mafia) and Poland (where polar bears supposedly roam) - relative to the US the figure is several times smaller, by no means "about equal". And the 3 Baltic states are not "most euro countries", check your atlas and population census.
PS. [Central European joke]Also, you would get homicidal too if you were invaded by Finnish tourists every weekend[/Central European joke]...
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Von Mudra
December 29th, 2008 01:52 AM
And the US has 3 or more times greater population then those countries, as well as more and greater city density, as well as much more cultural diversity (might not seem important, but sure as hell is when your dealing with black, white, asian, and latino gangs all of whom hate each other). What part of proportional to population do you not understand? Course murder rates in nations with fewer people, fewer cultural differences, and such are going to be lower, that's a given. The trick is putting both countries of level playing fields.
Another factor we haven't even toyed with yet is how many of those murders are commited by firearms. Yet another factor to consider. What you guys haven't realized is its not about "guns cause crimes or don't cause crimes." Its just not. that. simple.
Oh, and good night.
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Raizok
December 29th, 2008 02:21 AM
Von Mudra, please check the units of data that you discuss, before you discuss them.
Good Night .
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Wooly_Bully
December 29th, 2008 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Von Mudra
Fine lobo. Let's ban anything that someone can kill someone with.
Knives
Chairs
Ladders
Computers
Paper
Rope
Cars
Trucks
Planes
saws
wood
glass
arrows
piano wire
pianos
anvils
etc....
Err...call me silly but isn't just about everything on that list designed/used for something other than killing.
Unless I missed something don't guns really just have one purpose?
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Captain Pyjama Shark
December 29th, 2008 06:06 AM
Guns are for "protection". (Sarcasm!)
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
[WDW]Megaraptor
December 29th, 2008 06:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wooly_Bully
Err...call me silly but isn't just about everything on that list designed/used for something other than killing.
Unless I missed something don't guns really just have one purpose?
I've fired guns on several occasions but never killed anything with them.
And plenty of knives are designed solely with killing in mind.
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Re: Philly - It's a tough town
Lobo
December 29th, 2008 06:41 AM
Van Mudra, now you look like those small fishes shaking and sweating for their lives and the missing oxygen out of the water, I almost feel compassion.
Cultural diversity: in france they have big populations of all nationalities of their old empire, algerians and other Magreb people, africans, in Great Britain the same, India, Pakistan, africans, in Spain we have a huge community of arabs, southamericans and africans, and well, the russian and italian mobsters love to hang around at our mediterranean coast.
C'mon, throw the towel, Raizok won the world championship
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