Philly - It's a tough town

[stylie]

Jums, this board is a simmering volcano, even though things appear to be calming down, the unstoppable pressure builds until a catalyst comes along. You sir are the catalyst this time. And I applaud you... again! Its high time this thing got turned over again. Now, I will retreat to my lair and watch this thread on the monitors, 60 feet beow sea level in my bunker, and just watch... congac for you sir?

[Von Mudra]

Ditto, its childish.

And Lobo, the reason I collect guns myself, is for the history. I do not purchase guns to revolt, and I do not purchase modern firearms, only antiques from WW2 and before.

Other purchase for home defense, for collections, for hunting (something I do still want to do). But the thing they all have in common is that they purchase them legally, and never, ever pull the trigger to commit a crime.

Most murders/assaults are not committed by handguns. Knives are much more common, as they are silent and easier to use. That's just a simple fact. It is also much easier to get a knife. Anyone can buy one here, not everyone can get a gun.

Finally, criminals do not obey the laws. Why the hell would they obey gun laws. Taking guns away from legally owning citizens does not lower crime rates, look at Switzerland. Here is a great example, though Lobo will prob A) not watch it or B) just watch it and say its bogus/doesn't mean anything/insult me for whatever arbitrary, confirmation bias he can pull out of his ass. And without further adiue :

[Lobo]

I don't know why you so really want to go through this silly absurd again, we did after Columbine, after that Tech Institute, etc, etc, etc

I don't know if you get the underline of my words, your argument is bogus, I am sorry, reality proves it, in a society with lenient laws for guns ownership there are more mass slaughters, criminals have easier access to their crime tools, and normal people face more danger than without guns, and I am sorry if you can't accept the hard and merciless truth. I wonder if your actitude would change if tomorrow a psicho shots down your girlfriend, sister or mother in the street.

And don't post comedy videos, these Penn and Teller dudes are the insane ones, the Columbine morons fiercely armed with cutters had killed so many persons or more, yeah sure!

Devils loads guns, over and out

[Von Mudra]

Criminals have easier access to guns? Ok, come here, try and buy a gun legally in california with a criminal record. Your ass will be in jail faster then you can imagine. They buy the illegally, just like they do in Northern Ireland, Basque country, France, Germany, etc.... And mass slaughters? Only reason they're more common here is population density mixed with proportionality of population. We have denser cities, with greater numbers of people. Thus, things happen more often here then there. Doesn't mean shit doesn't happen in Europe ever. Just means that while we might have a mass slaughter every 2, 3 years, you have one every 4, 5 years. PS Lobo, everyone in switzerland has an assault rifle. Where's the mass shootings and crime rates there? Perhaps culture also has something to do with it.... Hrm.



Oh, by the way, I'm heading out now to go to a friends house and work on his arisaka that we're rebuilding. The shock, the horror! Better call the cops, we're doing responsible activities as adults!

[Lobo]

Yeah sure, I remember one mass slaughter (terrorism excluded) at Spain in my 40 years of life, ONE!

whatever, as I have said common sense and guns are two terms that don't mix well for americans, I blame the wild farwest myths, I guess

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

I did some shooting with family on Christmas. Tons of fun.

Mudra how much do these antique WW2 guns tend to run?

[jumjum]

Originally Posted by jumjum

Things have been so peaceful for the last week. It was amazing. No political threads, not even the injection of politics into non-political threads.There was not a single disagreement, much less harsh words or raised voices. There were expressions of regard and even love.

And now, like a switch has been thrown, the usual vitriol, expressions of contempt, lecturing, insults, attacks on entire peoples and countries. I'm flabbergasted.

What could be the reason? It's like a virus is here; like an infection has been introduced to the body. But what is it? What is different this week than last week? Is it the weather?

Is there someone here and posting now who wasn't when peace reigned? I wish I knew.

Originally Posted by Lobo

Is that you were bored and you posted this sillythread knowing what would happen, c'mon jumjum, I bow at your Machiavelicskills, don't be so shy with your evilness

BTW, you could redefine your concept of insult, because if we can't define the actitude of people with acurate adjectives, even if slighly harsh then well, we better shut up and go back to your Lollipop str. world of polithical correction

(yeah, I didn't forget when you said that hypocrite was an insult, so what the hell can we say if someone is being an hypocrite?)

Insult is when somebody calls names to the mothers of each others...and we all know that our mothers are sainct ladies, that don't deserve such ugly sons

@Van Mudra, yes man, I know, I am not telling that civilians must not be armed to fight against forces trying to break their freedom, I am saying that the '08 USA government is not such monster, so you don't need to be armed to the teeth, got it now?

Hmmmm. In the law enforcement biz we used to call this a clue.....

[Lobo]

yes jumjum, yes, if I don't reply to your (undercover polithic) posts this is a dead forum, with acolytes ohmmmming at your pleistocenic view of life, so what?

this anecdote was not fun, as you pretend, but dramatic. And stop trying to paint it as an humour thread, it isn't, and stop trying to look like an innocent storyteller grandaddy with no hidden agenda, most of your threads have a polithical purpose and I can't see why I am not allowed to discuss and disagree, do you remember your own words not long time ago?: FREEEEDOOOOM

Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor

I did some shooting against family on Christmas. Tons of fun.

[Ofw. Josef Schneider]

Yeah, go and answer him, b.. guy.
Sorry, that just slipped out of me! Anyway, if I do discuss political things on a board I don't discuss political things on a board to discuss political things, but merely to stream my aggression out to other people. Maybe that's mean, or sad, but I just find this as funny and relaxing as I find serious political discussions on a board pointless (except you have the same motivation as me, as anyone who does think another way as I do is just plain stupid, you american burgereating fatsos!).
Yeah, bring it on. I don't read your answers anyway.

[Raizok]

Originally Posted by Von Mudra

Fine lobo. Let's ban anything that someone can kill someone with.

Knives
Chairs
Ladders
Computers
Paper
Rope
Cars
Trucks
Planes
saws
wood
glass
arrows
piano wire
pianos
anvils
etc....

I'm surprised you forgot bare hands... no wait, jumjum covered other body parts.

Have you not noticed that in Spain, somehow, people still magically get guns illegally, dispite all those laws?

And despite laws against murder, it still happens. Why not legalize it?
"The law is not 100% effective, so it should be dropped" is not a good argument.

And proportionally, that the US has no more crime then european countries? it just seems like more because we also have 3-5 times the population of an average euro country.

vM, no offense, but are you basing this assertion on any actual figures, or are you simply talking out of your ass?

First of all, if someone talks crime, you usually talk about crime rates, i.e. the relative amount of crime, so your argument is moot.
Let's focus on the murder rates for now. Check this nice list:
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(I loathe using Wikipedia as a basis for an argument, but a) this looks like a well updated page, and b) feel free to find contradictory data from a reputable source)

Count the number of EU countries that have higher murder rates than the US. Yes, it's exactly two - Latvia and Estonia, and that's with data from 2004!
Also, note that the EU has a much greater total population than the US.

And I can very well predict that your answer will consist of some insult directed at me, followed by a vague statement that dismisses anything I say as rubbish without a single concrete fact to back it up, or to even support your claims.

Well, you can expect a lot of irony. He who lives by the sword ....

PS. I may not reply to this thread for some time, it's not that I'll be avoiding anything currently, it's just that I'm on a tight schedule lately.