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Jums, this board is a simmering volcano, even though things appear to be calming down, the unstoppable pressure builds until a catalyst comes along. You sir are the catalyst this time. And I applaud you... again! Its high time this thing got turned over again. Now, I will retreat to my lair and watch this thread on the monitors, 60 feet beow sea level in my bunker, and just watch... congac for you sir?

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Ditto, its childish.

And Lobo, the reason I collect guns myself, is for the history. I do not purchase guns to revolt, and I do not purchase modern firearms, only antiques from WW2 and before.

Other purchase for home defense, for collections, for hunting (something I do still want to do). But the thing they all have in common is that they purchase them legally, and never, ever pull the trigger to commit a crime.

Most murders/assaults are not committed by handguns. Knives are much more common, as they are silent and easier to use. That's just a simple fact. It is also much easier to get a knife. Anyone can buy one here, not everyone can get a gun.

Finally, criminals do not obey the laws. Why the hell would they obey gun laws. Taking guns away from legally owning citizens does not lower crime rates, look at Switzerland. Here is a great example, though Lobo will prob A) not watch it or B) just watch it and say its bogus/doesn't mean anything/insult me for whatever arbitrary, confirmation bias he can pull out of his ass. And without further adiue :

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I don't know why you so really want to go through this silly absurd again, we did after Columbine, after that Tech Institute, etc, etc, etc

I don't know if you get the underline of my words, your argument is bogus, I am sorry, reality proves it, in a society with lenient laws for guns ownership there are more mass slaughters, criminals have easier access to their crime tools, and normal people face more danger than without guns, and I am sorry if you can't accept the hard and merciless truth. I wonder if your actitude would change if tomorrow a psicho shots down your girlfriend, sister or mother in the street.

And don't post comedy videos, these Penn and Teller dudes are the insane ones, the Columbine morons fiercely armed with cutters had killed so many persons or more, yeah sure!

Devils loads guns, over and out

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Criminals have easier access to guns? Ok, come here, try and buy a gun legally in california with a criminal record. Your ass will be in jail faster then you can imagine. They buy the illegally, just like they do in Northern Ireland, Basque country, France, Germany, etc.... And mass slaughters? Only reason they're more common here is population density mixed with proportionality of population. We have denser cities, with greater numbers of people. Thus, things happen more often here then there. Doesn't mean shit doesn't happen in Europe ever. Just means that while we might have a mass slaughter every 2, 3 years, you have one every 4, 5 years. PS Lobo, everyone in switzerland has an assault rifle. Where's the mass shootings and crime rates there? Perhaps culture also has something to do with it.... Hrm.



Oh, by the way, I'm heading out now to go to a friends house and work on his arisaka that we're rebuilding. The shock, the horror! Better call the cops, we're doing responsible activities as adults!

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Yeah sure, I remember one mass slaughter (terrorism excluded) at Spain in my 40 years of life, ONE!

whatever, as I have said common sense and guns are two terms that don't mix well for americans, I blame the wild farwest myths, I guess

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I did some shooting with family on Christmas. Tons of fun.

Mudra how much do these antique WW2 guns tend to run?

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Hmmmm. In the law enforcement biz we used to call this a clue.....

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yes jumjum, yes, if I don't reply to your (undercover polithic) posts this is a dead forum, with acolytes ohmmmming at your pleistocenic view of life, so what?

this anecdote was not fun, as you pretend, but dramatic. And stop trying to paint it as an humour thread, it isn't, and stop trying to look like an innocent storyteller grandaddy with no hidden agenda, most of your threads have a polithical purpose and I can't see why I am not allowed to discuss and disagree, do you remember your own words not long time ago?: FREEEEDOOOOM

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Yeah, go and answer him, b.. guy.
Sorry, that just slipped out of me! Anyway, if I do discuss political things on a board I don't discuss political things on a board to discuss political things, but merely to stream my aggression out to other people. Maybe that's mean, or sad, but I just find this as funny and relaxing as I find serious political discussions on a board pointless (except you have the same motivation as me, as anyone who does think another way as I do is just plain stupid, you american burgereating fatsos!).
Yeah, bring it on. I don't read your answers anyway.

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I'm surprised you forgot bare hands... no wait, jumjum covered other body parts.

And despite laws against murder, it still happens. Why not legalize it?
"The law is not 100% effective, so it should be dropped" is not a good argument.

vM, no offense, but are you basing this assertion on any actual figures, or are you simply talking out of your ass?

First of all, if someone talks crime, you usually talk about crime rates, i.e. the relative amount of crime, so your argument is moot.
Let's focus on the murder rates for now. Check this nice list:
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(I loathe using Wikipedia as a basis for an argument, but a) this looks like a well updated page, and b) feel free to find contradictory data from a reputable source)

Count the number of EU countries that have higher murder rates than the US. Yes, it's exactly two - Latvia and Estonia, and that's with data from 2004!
Also, note that the EU has a much greater total population than the US.

Well, you can expect a lot of irony. He who lives by the sword :p....

PS. I may not reply to this thread for some time, it's not that I'll be avoiding anything currently, it's just that I'm on a tight schedule lately.

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Sweden - 2.9 / 100.000 ? Wow, you go girls.

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:lol:

Damn it, we the spaniardos are bizarre people, only albanians and those baltic misfits beat us down, c'mon euro pansies, kill more, you give us bad look

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You just proved my point. Proportionally, most euro countries are about equal, if not greater, in murders then the USA, proportional to amount of population. Thanks :)

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Err... how much have you drank last night :p?
The murder rate of e.g. Spain (which you've argued about) is considerably lower than that of the United States. And, according to the data on Wikipedia, that's the country with the greatest homicide rate among the largest EU members. Compare its peers, the UK, France (remember the riots occurring there lately?), Italy (in some parts still overrun with the mafia) and Poland (where polar bears supposedly roam) - relative to the US the figure is several times smaller, by no means "about equal". And the 3 Baltic states are not "most euro countries", check your atlas and population census.

PS. [Central European joke]Also, you would get homicidal too if you were invaded by Finnish tourists every weekend[/Central European joke]...

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And the US has 3 or more times greater population then those countries, as well as more and greater city density, as well as much more cultural diversity (might not seem important, but sure as hell is when your dealing with black, white, asian, and latino gangs all of whom hate each other). What part of proportional to population do you not understand? Course murder rates in nations with fewer people, fewer cultural differences, and such are going to be lower, that's a given. The trick is putting both countries of level playing fields.


Another factor we haven't even toyed with yet is how many of those murders are commited by firearms. Yet another factor to consider. What you guys haven't realized is its not about "guns cause crimes or don't cause crimes." Its just not. that. simple.


Oh, and good night.

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Von Mudra, please check the units of data that you discuss, before you discuss them.

Good Night :D.

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Err...call me silly but isn't just about everything on that list designed/used for something other than killing.

Unless I missed something don't guns really just have one purpose?

:lookaround:

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Guns are for "protection". (Sarcasm!)

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I've fired guns on several occasions but never killed anything with them.

And plenty of knives are designed solely with killing in mind.

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Van Mudra, now you look like those small fishes shaking and sweating for their lives and the missing oxygen out of the water, I almost feel compassion.

Cultural diversity: in france they have big populations of all nationalities of their old empire, algerians and other Magreb people, africans, in Great Britain the same, India, Pakistan, africans, in Spain we have a huge community of arabs, southamericans and africans, and well, the russian and italian mobsters love to hang around at our mediterranean coast.

C'mon, throw the towel, Raizok won the world championship

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some of those are banned over here to ("butterfly knives" for example, they used to be quite popular when I was in school)

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As well as switchblades which exceed a certain blade length; and fixed blades above a certain length may be possessed, but not be carried in public.
And I'm so fine with that and enjoy your whining about all that oh so proto-socialist restrictive laws in europe.

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Yes boller, but our proto-socialist and basically evil huge governments are going to crush our freedom if you have not a kalashnikov at home, don't be a sheep and arm yourself and your family!

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Thats right, we are all supermans and womens over here. ur djust stupit emerican l0l!1!