The Civil War in four minutes

[[79th]Sgt-D]

Actually there were combats in the West.

Kirby launched a raid from Texas in 1861 in New Mexico (and the western part of New Mexico, which became Arizona in 1863), and controlled it, as it was few populated, and with only several hundreds of Anglos.

Both sides had to fight against Western Apaches, Chiricahuas, Mimbrenõs and Mescaleros. General Carleton's California Volunteers get ambushed at Apache Pass by Cochise's Chiricahuas and (his step father) Mangas Coloradas (a.k.a. Mangus Colorado) Mimbrenõs, and would have been entirely defeated without two mountain howitzers (the Apaches have never seen any artillery at this date).

Then happened the battle of Glorietta Pass, where Kirby was defeated, and CSA had to retreat back to Texas (during this batlle, US officer Bascom, responsible of the casus belli against Apaches, get killed).

Then in 1863 Carleton and Kit Carson turned their forces against Navajos and Mescaleros Apaches, and deported them in a concentration camp.

The last Apaches only surrender in 1886 (a few ones leaded by Cochise's son, Naiche, and Geronimo), hunted by 1/4 of the US Army and the same number of mexican federales (who had slaughtered Victorio and his Mimbrenõs at Tres Castillos in 1880).

The Chiricahuas were deported in Florida where the climate killed many of them, then in Alabama, then in Oklahoma, and were allowed to get back in Arizona only in 1913, except for a few ones, leaded by Ninõ Cochise, Coshise's grand son, who remained free in their mexican fortress for several decades.

The last apache raid had been noticed in Mexico in 1934.

[Von Mudra]

We're saying combat in the Civil War. There was little and far between, as i said, Kirby mostly kept to himself and carved out his own little empire in Texas. Battles like Glorietta Pass were nothing, not even skirmishes, compared to the battles in the mid west and east.

[[79th]Sgt-D]

Yeah for sure, but still the Union didn't let the CS expand to the west.

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

From what I understand there was some pro-secessionist sentiment amongst white settlers in the New Mexico/Arizona territories and some in southern California.

Sgt-D, do you know if there was any contacts between the Native American tribes of the region and the Confederate authorities, or any sort of alliance like there was in Oklahoma/Kansas?

[Captain Pyjama Shark]

When I went to the U.S I saw a tonne of these sites. American Civil War is one of the really interesting parts of history to me.

[[79th]Sgt-D]

Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor

From what I understand there was some pro-secessionist sentiment amongst white settlers in the New Mexico/Arizona territories and some in southern California.

Sgt-D, do you know if there was any contacts between the Native American tribes of the region and the Confederate authorities, or any sort of alliance like there was in Oklahoma/Kansas?

Yes the anglo population of New Mexico was pro-secessionist.

And no, the CSA didn't try an alliance like the one with the Cherokees, actually they used to consider Apaches like the scum of the earth and would exterminate them.

By the way, you made me think that contrary to the legend, Taylor and his Alabama army was not the last Reb to surrender. It was the general Stand Watie, who was a cherokee chief.
Maybe the red necks wouldn't know that the last Dixie defender wasn't a white man