Obama back in the pulpit

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

Originally Posted by Stefan F

I wish we could actually discuss both opponents their policies instead of the cases they misspoke, how hot their wifes are, or if they are muslim or gay.

Yeah I wish we could too.

If Obama would actually give us something of substance to debate, we could talk about that instead of talking about his wife, mom, dad and preacher all the time.

[SeinfeldRules]

Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor

Yeah I wish we could too.

If Obama would actually give us something of substance to debate, we could talk about that instead of talking about his wife, mom, dad and preacher all the time.

But Obama promises us hope, and change, and uh, a new kind of politics, and and and... hope! AND CHANGE!

[Yossarian]

Zzzzzzz

I come back to this?

Where are the breasts? The humorous stories? The FH:OT of old? The FH:OT we fought to save?

This is nothing but boring political hackery. Zzzzz, I repeat.

[Stefan F]

i guess you guys are being sarcastic

Obama indeed stands for Change and hope, Hope cause many are demoralized and disappointed in the current way of doing politics and what politicians decide on, Change stands for not changing things for the good as far as its in his hands but also on how these decusions are made, aka in the interest of the american ppl and not the special interest of lobbyists/companies.

If you try to point out that he only talks about change and hope and has no policies, then i am very disappointed in you cause as an internet user the information is 5 seconds away read to suck in, he has a site full of policies, so many speeches out there touching several subjects, as he said himself he isnt going to ramble all his policies in detail every speech cause that would just bore the audience, he wants to inspire people to vote and participate.

When i see McCain do his speeches all i see is someone hammering on Obama all day, telling ppl why his policies suck, instead of starting with what his own policies are.

[Flyboy1942]

[[WDW]Megaraptor]

Originally Posted by Stefan F

i guess you guys are being sarcastic

Obama indeed stands for Change and hope, Hope cause many are demoralized and disappointed in the current way of doing politics and what politicians decide on, Change stands for not changing things for the good as far as its in his hands but also on how these decusions are made, aka in the interest of the american ppl and not the special interest of lobbyists/companies.

You just posted a whole paragraph of mumbo jumbo about unspecified "change". Change WHAT exactly?

Originally Posted by Stefan F

If you try to point out that he only talks about change and hope and has no policies, then i am very disappointed in you cause as an internet user the information is 5 seconds away read to suck in, he has a site full of policies, so many speeches out there touching several subjects, as he said himself he isnt going to ramble all his policies in detail every speech cause that would just bore the audience, he wants to inspire people to vote and participate.

So in other words he wants people to vote their emotions and not consider the issues. I wonder why?

And Obama talks about "change" all the time. But I'm not convinced he actually wants to change anything. Guys, Obama is a product of the Chicago Democratic Party. On this entire planet, you would be hard pressed to find a political group MORE resistant to change than the Chicago Democratic party. They still have a Daley as mayor of Chicago for pete's sake!

Originally Posted by Stefan F

When i see McCain do his speeches all i see is someone hammering on Obama all day, telling ppl why his policies suck, instead of starting with what his own policies are.

I take it you haven't looked up much of McCain's stuff?

Off the top of my head...

-Allow states to decide whether to allow offshore oil drilling.
-Offer a $300 million prize to develop a new car batter which can power a car, and meets certain criterion making it a step ahead of today's batteries.
-Continue Gen. David Petraeus' strategies in Iraq that are bearing fruit.

And yes I have heard of some of Obama's proposals. They are moronic, to put it nicely.

-Enact extra taxes against oil companies because he thinks they are making too much money. Sorry, but what genius decides that the way to stimulate a fragile economy is to punish companies for being profitable?
-Kiss the butts of the leaders of rogue states.
-Abandon our allies in Iraq, regardless of the actual situation on the ground. Who will ever trust us again in the world after we do that?
-Invade Pakistan. Seriously, WTHeck???

And Obama's every response to criticism of his political positions is some form of "you have no right to criticize me and McCain is four more years of Bush" regardless of the fact that McCain is and has been the most visible critic of Bush from within the Republican Party.

Note that McCain proposed a REAL change in American politics last month: He wanted to have joint campaign meetings with Obama every week leading up to the election. Obama wouldn't do it and only wants to do 2 debates instead of the traditional 3. I guess actually having to defend your positions in front of the other guy goes against "Hope" and "Change." Of course any honest political analyst can tell that the real reason behind Obama's decision is that he knows he'll come off looking like the lightweight that he is.

[Stefan F]

Originally Posted by [WDW]Megaraptor

You just posted a whole paragraph of mumbo jumbo about unspecified "change". Change WHAT exactly?



So in other words he wants people to vote their emotions and not consider the issues. I wonder why?

And Obama talks about "change" all the time. But I'm not convinced he actually wants to change anything. Guys, Obama is a product of the Chicago Democratic Party. On this entire planet, you would be hard pressed to find a political group MORE resistant to change than the Chicago Democratic party. They still have a Daley as mayor of Chicago for pete's sake!



I take it you haven't looked up much of McCain's stuff?

Off the top of my head...

-Allow states to decide whether to allow offshore oil drilling.
-Offer a $300 million prize to develop a new car batter which can power a car, and meets certain criterion making it a step ahead of today's batteries.
-Continue Gen. David Petraeus' strategies in Iraq that are bearing fruit.

And yes I have heard of some of Obama's proposals. They are moronic, to put it nicely.

-Enact extra taxes against oil companies because he thinks they are making too much money. Sorry, but what genius decides that the way to stimulate a fragile economy is to punish companies for being profitable?
-Kiss the butts of the leaders of rogue states.
-Abandon our allies in Iraq, regardless of the actual situation on the ground. Who will ever trust us again in the world after we do that?
-Invade Pakistan. Seriously, WTHeck???

And Obama's every response to criticism of his political positions is some form of "you have no right to criticize me and McCain is four more years of Bush" regardless of the fact that McCain is and has been the most visible critic of Bush from within the Republican Party.

wow....dont join discussion groups my friend, you would get bitchslapped by the chess players!

Where to start...Paragraph of numbo jumbo right, didnt see the part where Change is about changing the way politics are done? no fear mongering to get votes, not accepting lobying money, not be influenced by special interests etc

I dont know how you came up with the voting on emotions part, people know the issues very well, the hope part is about giving people something to look forward to, and the whole you know thing im not gonna explain it again.

Hmm OBama doesnt want to change anything? look at his record, smooth as a baby's behind. Who cares about the chicago democratic party? this is about obama going for president and not the chicago democratic party, they can eat babies for breakfast who cares?

Also i didnt say McCain has no policies( besides taking over most of Bush his policies) I stated whenever i see him talk its about breaking down Obama, instead of simply talking about his own policies.

I wont go over McCains policies now....i would like to but i would take up alot of space, but if you want to we can later on.

About Obama his policies, you need to set aside your opinion sometimes and firstly state the facts, and afterwards you can comment on it cause now it looks rediculous and plainly wrong.

-Tax on oil companies: They have many many billions profit now,when oil prices are claimed on high demand, most of this profit is from speculation aka artificially raising prices, through this tax the more they "speculate" more and more will go back to the ppl itself through the tax, which can be spend on healthcare or whatever.

-Kissing butts of leaders of rogue states: Actually its called talking with other leaders, kissing butt would make it seem like he would give them anything and not ask anything, has been covered so much in the media and he explained it so many times... Basicly what has been accomplished by not talking? nothing. What has been accomplished by talking ? alot more.
You say its wrong to talk to leaders of rogue states? for me there are no rogue states, all countries have accepted leaders, Iran for example has a democratic elected leader, with as many faults as florida voting.
Even the current Bush administration talks to these "rogue states", for example Lybia was an axis of evil member, through negotiations they quit their WMD programs, same for north kora they quit their program too and are to be removed from the axis of evil list within days now, and north korea prob has the most repressive dictator of them all.Oh and it didnt need butt kissing at all.

Abandon iraq and leave allies behind + who would trust the usa after that : Iraq has its own gouvernment, they are grown ups, im sure they can gouvern on their own, no US troops would would make them shape up and realize its up to them to make iraq a better place now without being able to blame the USA, who would trust the usa after that?i didnt think many still did after invading in the first place.

invade pakistan : Well it would be fun if i asked you to quote him , but you wouldnt be able to so ill wrap it up to you.Has also been covered and explained so many times i wonder what sort of news media you look at, if any at all.He said that if they can pin point bin laden, and the pakistani army is unable to act in time, he would order an airstrike without asking permission to the pakistani gouvernment, its something that is already being done by the Bush administration.

you forgot to type under McCain policies

"Bombing Iran. Seriously, WTHeck???"

[SeinfeldRules]

Where to start...Paragraph of numbo jumbo right, didnt see the part where Change is about changing the way politics are done? no fear mongering to get votes, not accepting lobying money, not be influenced by special interests etc

You are stupid and ignorant if you think Obama is going to change how politics work. He's towed the Democratic party line 98% of the time. He's not interesting in changing anything, unless its for his own party's benefit.

He likes to throw around the words hope and change a lot, but offers absolutely nothing.

Hmm OBama doesnt want to change anything? look at his record, smooth as a baby's behind. Who cares about the chicago democratic party? this is about obama going for president and not the chicago democratic party, they can eat babies for breakfast who cares?

Who cares about Klu Klux Klan? This is about [canidate] going for president and not the Grandwizard of the KKK, they can hang black people who cares? It certainly has seemed to work for Senator Byrd (Democrat, West Virginia)!

-Tax on oil companies: They have many many billions profit now,when oil prices are claimed on high demand, most of this profit is from speculation aka artificially raising prices, through this tax the more they "speculate" more and more will go back to the ppl itself through the tax, which can be spend on healthcare or whatever.

Please, go take a university level course in economics, and then maybe you will understand how insane putting a windfall tax would be on an already fragile economy.

Perhaps you should also educate yourself on the Oil Crisis of the Carter era, so you can see how stupid government regulations can destroy an entire economy.

Obama's economic plans are shortsighted and ill-conceived, and would be an utter disaster if implemented. I would much rather have 4 more years of Bush's economic policies then 4 more years of Carter's.

[[130.Pz]W.Fuchs]

Originally Posted by Yossarian

Zzzzzzz

I come back to this?

Where are the breasts? The humorous stories? The FH:OT of old? The FH:OT we fought to save?

This is nothing but boring political hackery. Zzzzz, I repeat.

Originally Posted by Flyboy1942

Gentlemen...
http://forums.filefront.com/fh-off-t...te-revolt.html
51 pages of off-topic anti politics.

[zuiquan1]

wait wait wait, everyone just stop for a minute......



pulpit?