Obama back in the pulpit

[Stefan F]

not cause you dont agree with my opinion means i am wrong, its called to disagree, if you can correct me on facts(which is wrong or when intended lying) you are welcome.

Thats right it starts with the voters, and the change would then be executed by obama, so why not vote for him?

All these pages of attempting to bash Obama as what would be a bad president, but all i saw was jokes about hope and change, when having to prove that its all he talks about its silent, when saying he cant do the change ( no one even seems to know what he means by that after all he only talked about that right?) it quickly turns into voters need to start the change.

So who are you voting for? and why? and please stick with policies or in general what he will do as president.
Thats means if elections are tomorrow, who will it be.
If you are undecided, you can say so, check what candidates stand for on their homepages.

But if you would vote for one of the candidates please elaborate why, like a list of the things you agree with, and that you dont agree with.
Maybe then we could have a REAL discussion about the candidates and the presidency, instead of ridiculing.

And raptor if you wondered why europeans are so vocal and dont hold back on what they stand for is that we can, not only do we have freedom of speech by law, but also between its citizens.
I dont get gangbanged by forum members like moose does for his opinion, i dont get spit on middle of the street like my friend in wisconsin for his political opinion, we arent born into a certain party, which we vote for and defend till the end of our days, we dont have the liberal or conservative stereotype, everyone has its own opinion and everyone has its own vote, and its respected, i never was and never will be haten where i live for what i think or feel politically, no one is trying to nitpick and take apart everything i write or say like you do cause no one cares here.

So stefan, why do you bother to reply in this topic or try to tell everyone obama is the new god?
I dont, i actually dont care who you vote for even though i would prefer obama to win for USA its own good and the rest of the world.
I rather wish the ones who vote vote for someone cause they agree with him, know he has good judgement and like his policies.
In this whole thread i have seen nothing but bullshit to be frankly, with little to nothing that even matters for a presidency.
And i have been trying to set the facts straight about what is important and what the policies are of both candidates,
All i see is "liberal conservative democrat republican" bashing after i thought
you are all americans in the first place, and vote for the good of your own country not cause someone is conservative or liberal.

So my point stands, if you are one the people who critize Obama alot, would you vote for McCain tomorrow? would you apply the same standards you put on Obama on McCain? what are the policies that McCain stands for that are better then OBama?

If you already decided and thing on earth will change your mind, please say so too cause in that case i dont have to alt tab out of my games to write this stuff down each time

[Lobo]

Originally Posted by Stefan F

I dont get gangbanged by forum members like moose does for his opinion, i dont get spit on middle of the street like my friend in wisconsin for his political opinion, we arent born into a certain party, which we vote for and defend till the end of our days, we dont have the liberal or conservative stereotype, everyone has its own opinion and everyone has its own vote, and its respected, i never was and never will be haten where i live for what i think or feel politically, no one is trying to nitpick and take apart everything i write or say like you do cause no one cares here.

You are very lucky in that belgian land, then, Stefan

Some time ago I enjoyed a lot to post in a forum of the youth organization of our conservative party (I am being polithically correct here, they are a bunch of far right pricks, but whatever) and I was gangbanged non stop...well, they tried at least. Unlike here, my awesome handling of spanish language ended up usually in an absolute pownage of their absurd ideas. Now, that forum is dead, they didn't take really well that they were defeated in the last elections as I predicted with my magic ball, haha

[stylie]

Magic Balls... getting gangbanged... english lesson STAT!!!!

[Lobo]

Thou beslubbering crook-pated pumpion!

[Stefan F]

If you mean idiots with crazy ideas, Belgium has those too no worry , quite alot really

But all in all we are very Apolitical, to the point where we cant stand any politician, we have a great country, there isnt much to be changed yet policitians ( and we have too many for this small country ) bitch complain and are corrupt.
We are raised to be critical of everything, and to not to be critical to the ones being critics, this keeps politicians in check as we will put the country to a hold when politicians do something we dont agree with, so they will always have to give in to the will of the people.Being critic along with good education for everyone has brought religion to a standstill in this part of europe where churches and weddings are nothing more then traditions left from the middleages.

As far as different thinking, quite radicly, even some of my close friends believe the flemish part of belgium is better off alone, while i think we are stronger as a country, there is no name calling ala you dirty royalist or dirty nationalist, its not even discussed that much, people come out with their belief and their points and stand for what they believe.

As to why i wrote the post above, i dont see it happen in this thread, no one is saying "Hey ill vote for McCain, he would be no doubt the best president, i like his stance about iraq that we should stay in the middle east for long term, and that we dont need to cater poor people with free healthcare". No one comes out of the closet but everything obama says is a joke and cant be done, yet the same arent speaking out who they actually support as they would have to actually defend their candidates stance... which they might not be able to do.

[Stefan F]

Originally Posted by stylie

Magic Balls... getting gangbanged... english lesson STAT!!!!

I know what it means, aka being all over someone, i like to give it a more graphic word.

[Lobo]

Stefan, our vocal americans here don't really like McCain neither, because he is not enough conservative for their taste...something really creepy if anibody wants to know my opinion (I know you don't want, haha).

So they will elect McCain as anti-Obama choice, but they will not defend with passion his ideas.

So...jokes about Hope and Change, rainbows and Lollipop St., this always works

[Stefan F]

Could be it...but then even if you dont like McCain nor Obama, McCain is a third bush term, going from calling bush dumb and disagreeing 8 years ago to almost perfect streamlining policywise, also a reason why i keep pulling bush into this, where i again notice not alot of criticism, so it seems to me they dislike Obama so bad for some reason i cant explain they would rather vote for McCain/Bush again, its probably the liberal/conservative stereotype i talked about, born as a conservative, voting for a conservative, no matter what.

EDIT: about McCain not being conservative enough, why did only 15ish percent vote for Ron Paul? he was probably the only non neocon on the republican list.And if you thought i was a "liberal" i actually liked him cause he was straight forward in everything and had common sense, he understood foreing politics and history 8946541654 times better then any of the other candidates, when he said in one of those debates that 9/11 didnt happen cause the USA was free and rich but cause of US foreign policy the crowd booed, and i hope for them it was an answer they didnt like instead of really thinking he wasnt right.
Also he has great understanding of economics, its really funny when trying to interview him on cable news the interviewer has some gotcha questions ready but ron paul doesnt fall for it and pwns him back oldschool, then they quickly end the interview or in fox news case call him some names and quit the interview before he can answer.
Not that i agree on him with everything, he is for crazy stuff like guns for everyone on planes

[stylie]

Originally Posted by Lobo

Thou beslubbering crook-pated pumpion!

Youve waited all day to use one of those!

[Lobo]

Yeah!, and now can you tell me what the hell does it mean?