Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

there is nothing wrong with supporting israel, as long as he doesnt turn a blind eye to whats going on , Obama stated before that the palistinians are the ones who suffer the most.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Gen'l Knight and Moose were closer than they thought..

He's now Awe Kooda Bilaxpak Kuuxshish

When you have a State with a small African American voting base you join another Minority? Slick.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

You know.

A Mr. Chamberlain once gave unwavering support to do everything he could to protect Czechoslovakia.

Just saying. ;)

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

You know.

A Mr. Bush once said Mission Accomplished and world is still laughing.

Just saying. ;)

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Hey, but if there's one thing you can't accuse Bush of, you can't accuse him of twisting with the wind when he takes a position on something.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Ya think she'll join up? Her and Michelle clash like hip-hop and country music.

Two words - Supreme Court.

Yup you heard it hear first of course after I, err, ehm heard that somewhere else.

Wisey it couldn't get any worse...

Going after that thar Jewish US vote after wetted finger was stuck in the air.....

Should he get in, if he can bring peace more power to him.

The US should support its good allies...

Lobo - we still love ya amigo :)

Just no whips please...

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Oh yeah, it's way better a man stumbling every day against the same stone (=fail). All the philosophers and saincts of History told that twisting with the wind is the act of a wise man.

No, now, seriously, we had a refreshing off topic moment with our freaky discussion about indians, but the rest of the thread is you, peeps, trying to convince us that Obama is some kind of flower power retard, that will fall to the floor crying and calling his mamma the first time a secretary comes to his room in the White House to inform him that a Kentucky tourist was beaten up by a tug at Timbouctou.

Exactly why?, first, the man will have an easy time being way better than Bush...er...I admit that doesn't need special skills but well, whatever.

But imo he is what America needs, you don't need another republican Grouchy Smurf, every day I hate this, I hate that, etc. You need some fresh blood, a man who changes the actual nasty vision of your country in the rest of the world. Dialogue is not appeasement, it's the first tactic of wise men, if it doesn't work there is always time for action.

Your hated Bill Clinton didn't abandoned Israel but he had the balls to sit down those obstinate mumbling fans of backstabbing each others (israelits and palestinians) at a table and forced them to speak. And he got a home run at Yugoslavia, unlike your beloved Bush.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I actually don't think she will either knight. In the end I can't see it happening.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Obama is just so - untested and a very real unknown.

His association with that church in Chicago for so long just doesn't turn me on either. While perhaps not wholly indicative, it suggests that Barak's loyalties are not with the USA as much as the black movement.

That fact that he has disassociated himself from the church and the manner in which it was done is loopy as well.

Somebody with a different face - yes.

A proven administrator of either miltary, business or government - yes. Barak can not claim this.

There is a new govenor in Louisiana named Bobby Jindl that will make his mark someday on the US scene. He is of (the country of India) heritage and Reagan conservative-like.

A better look for the Dems would be someone like my state's senator Evan Bayh.

I agree with you Lobo. I am not a McCain fan and not anything to do with Bush. McCain has his own set of creepy merits.

Don't know why I am wasting FH2 playing time here so..... :)

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Bill Clinton was extremely pro-Israel, more so than Bush. But he let thousands of people get killed in Bosnia for 3 years before finally intervening. Not exactly a home run. Then he did the right thing in Kosovo, I'll give him that. Too bad for Rwanda and Bosnia that he didn't learn sooner. :(

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Too bad for Sudan and Burma and pretty much any African Nation that Bush didn't learn at all.

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wow, finally we agree in something, yeah, so bad he didn't act before at Bosnia, but at least he made somehting, unlike we the euro slackers

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I always love how the left complains about all the other nations, and yet doesn't care that the same damn stuff was going on in Iraq. Make up your mind. We're going the diplomatic route on Sudan and Burma, shouldn't you be happy?

If anything, its proving why diplomacy doesn't always work.... We need to do to Sudan and Burma what we did in Iraq, but it'll never happen because people will whine and fuss about war. Sorry, but to me, in the end, war is INEVITABLE as a species. Diplomacy does not solve all, it is not an end all. In fact, it even becomes a weapon when put in the hands of tyrants, who use it to hide behind.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

That's really nonsense, Sadam Hussein was a deactivated puppet with the actions taken by the Clinton administration, the economic blockage, the UN observers and those two parallels at north and south banned for his air forces. None of those actions were total war.

Now yes, you killed the man Sadam, but created a monster way more dangerous...for nothing, because the unfamous WMD's just exist in the hot mind of our buddy Knight and Sadam had not links with Al Qaeda, quite the oposite because they hated each other.

It's simple, it's called common sense, you must never start a war with no gain, just to look macho at the 6 o'clock news :rolleyes:

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Why am I reminded of the scene in Apocalypse Now when Martin Sheen gets his orders from General Corman to go upriver? -

"After that his ideas, methods, have become....unsound."

"Every man has got a breaking point. You and I have. Lobo Kurtz has reached his. And very obviously he has gone....insane."

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Things probably wouldn't turn out in Sudan like they are in iraq, there would actually be a reason to invade sudan, we liked Saddam.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Except for the whole gassing the Kurds thing?

And having a crazy-assed (proven with Kuwait) dictator with a choke hold on the most precious resource we import...

Yes it was, in part, about the oil. It's just that everyone in power seems to have forgotten that. Everybody you meet whines about it being all about the oil, even though we try to be somewhat fair in the way we set up the Iraqis to manage their own oil exporting. I say fuck that. Might as well just take the damn oil eh? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, so you might as well do.

The only reason not to would be if we start to build rapport with the Iraqis and actually start to make significant headway. You know, build up and train an Iraqi army. Maybe let them take control of a couple key cities like Basra and Sadr City, maybe let them take a major part in operations. At this point the violence should go down quite a bit and things should quite down over there. Then we couldn't just take the oil everyone says we're taking because that would ruin everything we've accomplished.

But its so shitty over there right now we should screw them, take as much oil as possible, and invade the Sudan.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

What is wrong with the world here, not just to point fingers at Bush?

Atrocities exist everywhere yet there are so few nations to react.

It will have to be some other nation(s) to step up because the media and world pressure has effectively neutered the US's ability to do something.

Providing answers/solutions is more much valuable than criticizisms and much harder to do...

One of the tangent's of Stallone's Rambo was a tie in to Burmese atrocities.

"When pushed to the wall, killing is as easy as breathing..." - John Rambo

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Read Michael Yon's new book Moment of Truth in Iraq.

I just started but this is exactly what Gen Petraeus (petra Greek rock) has implimented in the surge.

Yon has some scathing criticisms about the USA early prosecution of the war (heavy handed, heavy hitting) but it reporting of a genuine change based on your comments Flyboy.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

It's impossible to not become insane reading the absurd comments of you and your travel buddies here

The Horror...The Horror

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I really like his approach and want to pick up his book.

Even though he's highly critical of how the early parts of the war were carried out, unfortunatley, he'll be dismissed as a pro-military Bush puppet simply because he doesn't fall in lock step with the media mythos of Iraq being a horrible disastrous quagmire.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

He-he the military wouldn't allow him in Iraq for a while because of his criticisms..

Going to read it at my lunch hour right now...

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Not true. I'm still sane...after a fashion...

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Let us know when you get to the point of renting your clothes, wearing ashcloth and anointing your head with ashes from burnt 2000-2004 Bush/Cheney campaign posters... :)

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I am almost there...almost

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

If only I could legally assasinate Bush and his whole staff, I'd be blowing a hole in their head rather quickly. Take that fools.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Echelon has just marked you.....

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I put legally so I'm safe from persecution.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Ahhh with your political affliations aren't you scared?

Oh wait, the Clintons aren't in charge are they?? :)

Another reason Obama won't let Hillary be VP - only a bullet away from the Big Seat...

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I was actually thinking that after watching his speech, conspiracy theorists unite when Obama is assasinated, was it Bill, or another man employed by Hilary?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Nah, now I'd most likely think of McCain.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Well once Obama is in office though, itll be Clinton that kills him.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Ive been thinking about HRC as vp... here is why, It is conceivable that McCain could actually try to get her, he's pretty left for a righty. You know that would probably be a lock for that ticket, actually maybe a lock for either ticket. Obama, thinking of this possibility might go for her first...

Please someone tell me this nightmare scenario could not ever be a possibility... Im beggin ya.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

If Obama puts HRC in his veep slot, it merely proves he's a political neophyte. Having the Clintons (and of course you get 2-for-1 whether you want it or not) in your administration guarantees unprecedented internecine war. The Clintons will be undermining Obama and leaking like a sieve. There will actually be an administration-within-an-administration.

I really don't expect him to seriously offer or her to accept. But there is a certain ritual and protocol to these things, and she may feel that courtesy demands that an offer be made, if only for appearance sake.

It's sort of like you being a dinner guest and eating and drinking like a pig. And your hostess says to you, "Oh, how gratifying it is to see such a hearty appetite. You see it so seldom these days. I'm so sorry I didn't prepare better. Please allow me to grill you another four or five filet mignon. And while you're waiting, please honor us by sampling this heirloom bottle of small-pot single-malt scotch we were saving for something silly like our 50th wedding anniversary. It's so nice to see a man who's not afraid to drink hard these days." You know she doesn't mean it, and she hates your guts for being a drunken pig, so you politely decline.

So although Obama may make a very quiet pro forma non-offer offer, he'll only do it if he's assured she'll turn any such opportunity down. Besides, why would she want to give up a seat as one of the most powerful members of the Senate to be a VP?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Forgive me. Consecutive posts and a self-quote - ugh, that's bad. But I've been waiting to see if this video thing will out, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Except today Obama said there is no vid of Michelle ranting about "whitey". Ben Smith's Blog: Obama denies a rumor and questions the question - Politico.com

Also, I've since read that the source of all the Michelle-on-shocking-video rumors appears to be one Larry Johnson, who runs a rabidly pro-Hillary web page. Well, well. Here's his page with the story: Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan Take On Whitey : NO QUARTER

Here's a good analysis that concludes, whether or not there's a vid with nasty racist remarks by Michelle is unclear - none has shown up so far. But the guy who started this thing, Larry Johnson, can't keep his story straight. Reason Magazine - Hit & Run > Everything's Gonna Be All White

To make it "more gooder", this is apparently the same Larry Johnson who is a former CIA spook and from 1989-93 was the deputy director of the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He is (in)famous for an analysis he released July 10, 2001, in which he mocked the average American's fears of terrorist attack by extremist Islamic groups. He went on to say America did not face a significant threat of terrorist attack, and that there were more important security concerns. (Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson - Timothy Noah - Slate Magazine

Of course, within 90 days he was proved to be spectacularly wrong.

Supposedly as he was packing up after having been fired from the State Department for his less-than-excellent prognostication, he was inundated by such job offers as consultant to "Jamaican Psychic" Miss Cleo; fortune-cookie writer; horse-racing tip-sheet editor and exit-pollster. At last report he was seriously considering an offer to be a TV Weatherman. ;)

Besides, here's Larry Johnson's picture:

http://noquarterusa.net/larryjohnson.jpg

WTF? :eek: A guy with a haircut like this; is he a Doofus? Dickless? A Disaster Waiting To Happen?

Guilty, Guilty, Guilty!

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

America can't trust man who can't commit himself to a truely mind blowing hair cut.

Anton Chigurh for President. Life, Liberty and pneumatic bolt gun justice for all. Friendo.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I frickin called it JumJum, but I'm glad you followed it up and continued the story. I told you it would prove to be false :). I'm smarter then I look.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I just recently read about the stuff in my post actually happening in Iraq, and was attempting some sort of convoluted sarcastic devils advocate post, but maybe I was a bit too tired :uhm:

That book sounds good though, and with summer starting I actually have time to read :)

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Dudes Im bumming... the whole whitey thing would have been a spectacular fireworks show, as juicy as this thread was, earlier this week!!! But if Im reading this correctly, this Larry douchebag hasnt seen the tape, he's hearing about it, correct? It still may be true, I think Michelle Obama has the potential of bringing down Barack anyway, we have heard her lean this way before. I cant wait for something like this to happen, honestly, I dont even care who. McCain even, whatever... something to spice this whole thing up.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Well as we all know, problems always seem to arise in politics AFTER politicians make decisive statements - Read my Lips, no new taxes - I did not have sex with that woman, Mission Accomplished, etc.

So, odds of something like this tape existing and actually showing up - potentially pretty good.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Remember the phrase "October Surprise"....

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Blowjobs are not sex, goddamned puritan
























Ay que rico, papi :rofl:

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I think we have all missed the real danger here - Obama bears a more than striking resemblance to 1930s President of Liberia, Edwin J. Barclay:

http://www.info-antike.de/regent/reg...clay-edwin.jpg
http://eldib.files.wordpress.com/200...bama_image.jpg

Thought to have been dead since 1955, commentators must be open to the possibility of the apparently deceased former President spearheading a Liberian attempt to infiltrate the White House and gain a so-called revenge on his people's former oppressors.

The real question we should be asking, gentlemen, is:
Edwin J. Barclay, should I be worried?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

YouTube - Barack Obama Basketball Mixtape

Who cares about his politics, that's some serious John Stockton shit right there.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

You could place the nomination at his feet and he'd probably still kill you just for inconvincing him.

Chigurh '08

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I'd really like to know what the U.S. citizens would think about Obama/Clinton as the democratic top candidates. Is it realistic? Would both Clinton and Obama fans agree? Can't wait until saturday.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I don't think it's relastic but I want it to happen.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Anton Chigurh '08. Inevitable

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Because it appeals to voters. You're all forgetting that the campaign is about WINNING the election, and nothing else.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I'd shiver in the corner at even the thought of those two running the government.