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I'm gonna go ahead and call that the Michelle Obama tape isn't much. If it was it would already be out.

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I will ignore the byte about "you europeans hate us poor America", it's getting old, I think by now is pretty clear some of the europeans here think Bush is a walking cluster fuck but just that, we have nothing against America, in fact some of us love the concept America with just some colorful details that we will never understand but those don't ruin the overall feeling.

To the issue...

Why do you think the mass media can't have ideology?, journalists are simply like you, they have polithical ideas in the positive meaning of the term: proposals to improve world and life of people. Obviously a good journalist must distinguish clearly opinion and information and don't try to sell us his ideas without proofs, and yeah, not all journalists have those high principles...but in both sides of the fence, hey, don't think otherwise.

But you affirm ALL mass media that doesn't sing your song is leftie and is blatantly lieing, are you kidding or you just live at Lollipop Str.?

The WMD's big bluff is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact supported with historical proofs and only a blind fanboy can say otherwise. About New Orleans you must be kidding again, so the president of USA has nothing to do in the management of a disaster that was a shame for a civilizated country?, now, seriously, what the hell must do a President of USA?, go to parades and wave the hand smiling?

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Oh Jay-sus, seriously?

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Well yes and no...Bush is ultimately responsible for the federal government's response, but he is definitely NOT responsible for, say, most of the New Orleans Police Department running away from the job and leaving the Army to secure their city.

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rly

Care to enlight me about your background about the issue?, it's just to know if you are an intellectual authority about the subject, you know?, lately everybody thinks that knows about everything, just with the reading of some fancy blogs.

The immortal Robert Capa said a journalist must always take side, and God knows he did, near the victims, against evilness. Disagree?

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Shouldnt there be a difference between journalism and reporting the news? I mean take the photo-journalist... obvious slant, and that is their purpose. To show us something. There was nothing good about the dustbowl/war/disaster so they show us the pain. To take the photo and include some meaning. We know that these agencies are slanted and I agree, it can be very subtle. But I did read that FoxNews is a clear ratings winner, for a long time, that says something. I think its up to the reader/viewer to know it when they see it and move on. These guys are completely annoying, but certainly not robots.

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I didn't see a lot of professionnalism from american journalist during the anti-french campaign.
If only critism towards america is feel as a anti-american feelings,
then i don't know how it is called when you insult a country with paragraph in the style of a dirty newspaper as american newspaper did !
This retard attitude has successfully cut me from the american media even if i could forgive them the wdm affair because it was base on a false official report.



Obama has certainly the best charisma to reverse the bad image the world has of USA and go out USA from its isolationnism.

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Ah Lobo, it is so good to hear from you again!

As far as my heavy-handed Euro comment: point taken. Nuff said.

Concerning journalists, of course they have an opinion. The problem is they act like they are so neutral or above the fray as not to be affected when clearly they are. I've listened to some of these gentlemen on talk shows and they won't tell you even who they voted for as they claim there sacred neutrality. Their hypocrasy is so evident that they might as well declare a politcial affliation and we all would be better for it.

As far as WMDs - they still exist somewhere in the Arab world IMHO.

New Orleans is a city in a state in the country of the United States.

New Orleans has a mayor who is to talk to the governor who then talks to the President's reps in time of emergency, in this case FEMA. I don't claim to be an expert in any of this but I do know the burden of this should rest at the local level. That is just the way the chain of command is organized.

Did you know that a great amount of people in New Orleans declined to leave the city because they were waiting for their welfare checks in the US mail? That money was allocated for damn reinforcement by the US government but the reinforcing of the ultimately ruptured damn was blocked by environmental groups? That some police in the area became the greatest looters? That the local Congressional rep had The Army Reserve ferry him to his house so he could literally get "cold cash" (that was illegally gotten $75k) out of his flooded mansion? That once FEMA was called in they responded greatly, overly so as a matter of fact, giving away money vouchers ultimately used for $300 purses, call girls and new TVs? That the local government herded everyone into the Super Dome with no further logistical support? That people without food when offered gourmet sandwiches and water declined them and asked for "McDonalds and a Coke" instead?

That situation was much more complicated and fucked up then people simply wanting to blame it George W. Bush I'm sorry.

Frankly, I don't even want to defend Pres. Bush that much but all the biased bs that gets thrown out just makes me sick. And, in a sick way, I feel like I got to stand up for the man because of it.

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On a sidenote: This is were the mischief peaked. This was when old europe and the states clashed. The U.S. intelligence came up with these vague assumptions that tended to increase in weight the longer others were not convinced. And the british intelligence was fed with false information by the states. (The british being involved is a different story and comes to light if you look at the greater scale of british policy during the past centuries, being indepted to the States.)


In January 2003, United Nations weapons inspectors reported that they had found no indication that Iraq possessed nuclear weapons or an active program. Some former UNSCOM inspectors disagree about whether the United States could know for certain whether or not Iraq had renewed production of weapons of mass destruction. Robert Gallucci said, "If Iraq had [uranium or plutonium], a fair assessment would be they could fabricate a nuclear weapon, and there's no reason for us to assume we'd find out if they had." Similarly, former inspector Jonathan Tucker said, "Nobody really knows what Iraq has. You really can't tell from a satellite image what's going on inside a factory."

See, so the positions and conclusions of the U.N. were similar to german or french intelligence reports.

And on the basis of that, german foreign minister adressed Mr. Rumsfeld: "Excuse me, I am not convinced".(google cache in case it selects the wrong language)

That is quiet contrary to your statement.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

He may has the best world wide image but so many of us just can't trust him. So little is really know about him.

As far as France, your country got caught up in a lot of emotion after 9/11 with the American public. It is sad but true and I was cracking the jokes as well at the time.

However, now, you have a new President and I feel a new direction and I for one would relish the old friendships that once existed between our countries.

I understand that there are some states in the US now preparing to purchase nuclear reactors from French companies and I am ever so glad for that. About time!

And, from the new National Treasure movie, I learned there are three Statue of Liberties in the world...:)

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Point taken and you are saying this about NUCLEAR weapons correct?

The funny thing about this is a most Liberal guy and Bush-hater at work gave me a book written by the father of the Iraqui boy that his daughter knew.

The title of it? Saddam's Bombmaker, recently published by Khidhir Hamza.

This is some discussion how true this is but talk about a tell all book!

As well as writing about Sadaam pursuit of all sorts of weaponry, it also detailed the author's involvement in the purchase of the nuclear reactor by Iraq in the 1980s.

As far as France and Germany, I do not wish to rehearse again the possbile economic ties that may have precluded their measured responses on this question.

Also, I put as much weight on the UN as some of you do on President Bush.
shed by Khidhir Hamza

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Speaking with you I feel like Galileo Galilei in front of the priests of the Inquisition Tribunal...the goddamned Earth spins around the Sun, cojones!

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:rofl: I guess only two nations ( A and I) may have them ? We all know that the middle east, "commie" countries and such are all evil and plotting to destroy us. :o

PS: (to stay ontopic) I'm pretty tired of Barrack being refered to as "the first black president", a "halfblood" would be a more approperiate term. Not that it doesn't matter what sex,race, religion, sexual preferance or whatever else you cna think of really matters. It's about skills, not a silly supervisiual thing. Meh.

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Seth, what was the "anti-french campaign" I missed it. I would agree though, the anti-french sentiment of my country is quite puzzling. I dont get it. If it werent for the help of the French we might be speaking english now! Oh wait! But you know what I mean!

But how quickly people forget. It cant be all that bad over there?!?

Dukat... you only have 47 posts?!? Thats crazy! You must say alot with very little!

Donutz... yes it is amazing... Whats more amazing is that people are going to vote for/against B O for that very reason. I swear I throw my hands up!!!

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Speaking of Obama, he's speaking here tonight.

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Funny.

I'm still not clear why stories such as these haven't got more play - oh wait, the unbiased media I keep forgetting...well actually CNN and the NY Times are involved below so...

Oh yes the UN has spoken as well...my my my....

FOXNews.com - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate

CNN.com - Powell on WMD existence: 'This game is still unfolding' - Jan. 8, 2004

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/us...rtner=homepage

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Wait till I demand my pound of flesh....:)

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The last time the media had an agenda we killed a bunch of your countrymen over a boiler explosion.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Yes, but it was 110 years ago, we forgive you!

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But you kinda see why I'm against the media, who's job is to report neutral facts, having an agenda?

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Remember the Maine, and to hell with Spain

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Well, the "unpleasantness" Spain was perpetrating against the people of Cuba was also a part of that...

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How's that, wasps?

We romanced those sweet indian gals, you just killed them, go "teach" moral lessons to your mommas

(BTW, I bet The Fox and similars love the Hearst's style)

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http://liberalslikechrist.org/massacre13.jpg

The Spanish romancing the locals.

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Is a Gen. Custer pic?

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Just for the record. Jummy, General Knight, other right wingers, will Obama win the presidency?

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You seem to be unfamiliar with your nation's long history of killings, exploitation, oppression, torture, murder and outright genocide against the native peoples of south and central America...

Spanish colonization of the Americas

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I think Lobo's comment was in jest... I dont think anyone denies any atrocities around here. Anyone... and I mean anyone with an ancestry can look back in time and see things that should never be repeated... except for me. Im Irish, we kill ourselves!!!

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No, it was not in jest.

The spanish colonization of America was not a kindergarden party, obviously, no colonization was, those were wild bloody times for macho people, you know?, the aztecs or incas were neither friendly with people around, or portugueses, or dutchs, or everybody.

But the ancient spaniards didn't have a plan of scientific, eugenesic, nazi-like ethnic cleanising and extermination of the original natives of those lands like in North America, and as fancy note they never had issues with the always joyful exchange of genetic content with the natives, unlike you puritan sex-haters. And if you didn't know this I think you are the one that are unfamiliar with your nation's history, dear.

But no problem, at least their descendants are getting all your money in those casinos
Jau

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Every country and its citizens are unaware of their wrong doings in history.

Anybody on these forums can't point fingers in any direction. BUT ULTIMATELY ever country has had its fair share of mistakes.

SO STOP POINTING FINGERS ALL OF YOU.

you know why wars start? With stupid shit like this. Its history, get over it, look towards the future, stop sqwandering over the past and drop your balls.

How in gods name are we ever to advance in peace of earth, If we cant even type like respectable people on a forum, or move on from that which we cannot change? We are reminded of our mistakes enough, without having to renew them constantly.

Put aside your god damned hatreds for just five minutes tonight, enough time to type a good response. Good Luck.

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Shut up, hippie!

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See lobo, the difference between me and a hippie is, I believe in dropping the past and our hatreds, but Im willing to go to war for it.

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You take that back or I'll blow up your car!

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Back to Obama, he just announced his win St.Paul,Minnesota. That's 5 minutes from my house, I'm sort of historic.

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Neither did the USA.

Most natives in the United States who died as a result of colonization died of disease. Since people didn't know about germs back then that really couldn't be prevented unfortunately.

At least we didn't enslave large numbers of the natives and then work them to death in gold mines.

And if you think all or even most of your "exchange of genetic material" with the natives were from consensual encounters with the invaders I suggest you think again.

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Moose did you jack off while watching the announcment yes/no

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Jesus... JW, cant you go 5 minutes without cock-blocking the guy?

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You must be kidding.

First, don't worry about the germs, the ancient spaniards already carried all our germs and killed a bunch of natives, don't worry, it was not your fault.

Second, as far as I know Sitting Bull, Jeronimo and buddies didn't die of flu, but correct me if I am wrong.

Third, please, don't talk about slavery, it sounds comic in the mouth of an american, Spain abolished slavery 30 years before and we didn't need a war to get it, and let's not talk about the post-abolition situation, an apartheid de facto until the last 50 years of past century...I am talking about the XX one :rolleyes:

The crossing of races in Spanish America is an historical fact, the mixed weddings were really common, in North america...well...uh...Jimi Hendrix?, anibody more?

Listen, or you have a terminal syndrom of "America, Fuck yeah", or you got poor califications in History or you just will say black when I say white.

Let's do an experiment
Lobo says: The Earth has just one natural satellite, called The Moon

Discuss

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http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/25491...5A1E4F32AD3138

More spanish romantizing the indians as they play with their dogs:D

Every country has this dark side in its past. Spain has this and the inquisition. America has the native americans. German, holocaust. Belguim, the Congo. Finland, the 1918 concentration camps. The list goes on. Its stupid and immature to point at one country and say "OMG, you killed the indians!" when your country is guilty of the same. However, in this modern day, what is right is to stop it from happening again.

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LOL this is gettting hilarious. OK we agree, The hell unleashed by the ancient Spaniards wasnt as bad as that unleashed by the sexless puritanical wasps. Lobo wins. This is like watching two old ladies having a bag fight...

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Yeah, I agree totally but the problem is we have here a proud american who thinks the indians were killed by the flu and not by your armies and settlers, for my astonished amusement

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@stylie

But its fun!

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Nah my family was there. But enough with the Bullshit, I am fucking happy that he won and proud that he announced it in my state, at a place I've been too. Pretty happy, can't take that away from me. And if hilary goes on his VP ticket, fuck off mccaine.

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OMG!!!!!

What the HELL is this board smoking tonight?!?!?

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Slowly going ontopic: I hope Hillary burns in one of the Holy Inquisition's pires

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I'm putting a few bucks on Hildawg intention to suicide bomb the DNC.

Hillary's Downfall from JamesAdomian

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Finally, something we can agree on!

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No surrender!

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/bravehillary.jpg

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That too, but you guys didn't reach very far into North America. I hear our tribes didn't take too kindly to your people when they came up here.

Actually, Geronimo died of pneumonia...



Well, how nice of you to abolish slavery AFTER you lost 90% of your New World colonies...:rolleyes:

And you lost those mostly to this man named Simon Bolivar, so in a way you did need a war to get it done.

So were conquistadores raping native women...

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What I was linking to was a CNN clip of Bob Beckel, a Dem strategist, on CNN commenting on the rumor.


*edit* Damn if it wasn't a Fox clip.