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Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

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Originally Posted by Lobo (Post 4351016)

To be honest I don't give a beep if a politician is cristian or Zeus fanboy, I just want to know his stance about death penalty, homosexuals, migration and other sensible issues around human rights.

So, Huckabee....I guess no, thanks

PD: anyways as sceptic nihilist I see the colorful aproach to religion in public of american politicians as another one of your fun comedies...indeed

To me a religious life (not admissions) is something to be considered and has a weight in the totality of things.

I do not discount it completely.

And this is my usual approach Lobo, not my sarcastic one...well a little sarcastic perhaps...:)

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Originally Posted by Frenkan (Post 4351042)

Since I consider myself atheist/agnostic my answer would be yes.

I realise the question of religion is different in the US compared to most of Europe (and probably my opinion of it compared to many others). Obama needs the votes of the religous crowd to have a shot at the president election so what can he do? He portays himself in a minor manner as someone who believes in God and christianity but that's it. He may very well be a religious person but in contrast to Huckabee he is not, I believe, someone who would make his decisions and beliefs solely based on the writings of the bible or the words of God.

Obama might be a hyppocrite regarding the religous question, but I would say the end in this case have to justificy the means. It's politics after all, if you aren't lying you're doing it wrong.

Again, I'm from a country where a politicians religious belief is as interesting as his choice of favourite ice-cream. He can believe what he want as long as he makes his decisions based on the values of our current society and not on some 2000ish years old writings. (Yes, I do know that some of our values today are based on the bible and that our lawbook will also be 2000 year old someday, but you'll hopefully understand what I'm trying to say.)

Based on what you say I have to say (between me and you) fair enough. You are being honest. :)

My only additional point is that people/countries/continents discount religion all too quickly and a lot of that humanistic perspective is taught in public schools, etc so that some really never get a chance to consider the question in an unbiased and even-handed approach.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

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Originally Posted by Gen'l Knight (Post 4350997)

So if you don't really believe what you are saying and doing it for votes that's ok to use religion.

If you actually believe in God and His Word and make some life decisions based on that fact (no matter how distasteful to some) that is wrong.

Hmmmm.....

Erm, where did you drew that odd conclusion from? :uhm:

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

Religion has been a key factor in alot of govermental changes throught the centuries, not just in the United States of America, but all over the world.

Anybody think back to the Middle Ages when the world was run by the Papacy, and they believed so heavily in the church that they launched a massive Crusade to retake the "Holy Land", Upon capture of Jerusalem, believing it would save their souls. The Crusaders devoured the people of Jerusalem, yes, They ate them.

And low and behold, they did it again some years later, and some years after that.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

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Originally Posted by Gen'l Knight (Post 4350997)

Exactly my point.

For those of you not from the US, you may not be picking up on the message in these ads. Obama isn't simply saying, "Hey, I got to church. I'm a Christian. I have God in my life, etc." The ads are proclaiming a fairly hardcore evangelical message. Look at what he's saying, "I won't be fulfilling God's will unless I go out and do the Lord's work." Even the images are in your face evangelical.

How would you all be reacting if this were George Bush in this ad? Or if George Bush had made the above statement before going to war in Iraq? Oh, that's right, Republicans actually mean this kind of crazy Jesus stuff. Democrats just do it to get votes.

So, in other words, at its best Obama is simply pandering for votes from Christians. At its worst, Obama is lying about his faith and the importance of it in his life.

Exactly the kind of person I want in the White House.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

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Originally Posted by Archimonde0_0 (Post 4351556)

They ate them.

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Oh come on. Not all of them. More like a quick nibble really.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

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Originally Posted by Rafterman (Post 4351640)

So, in other words, at its best Obama is simply pandering for votes from Christians. At its worst, Obama is lying about his faith and the importance of it in his life.

Exactly the kind of person I want in the White House.

Well... ya, isn't that what I said he is doing? He is trying to get votes from the right. I can assure you that McCain will pander to votes on the left. All politicians, on the left and right pander to votes in the center. That is politics.

As for the importance of faith in his life, I have no idea, and I doubt anybody else here knows either.

And, like it or not, you are going to get somebody in the White House who panders for votes, just like every other President you've ever had.

As for wether or not the ad offends you, I get the strong impression you are a dedicated Republican voter. In which case, neither candidate will pander to you, and you should not expect the campaign adds from either candidate to especially impress you. (Although the Republican ads will undoubtedly be more appealing.)

As I said, both candidates will pander to the center voters. They are the undecided voters who decide every election. Look at it this way: About 60% of the population doesn't vote. About 15% always vote Democrat. About 15% always vote Republican. That leaves 10% of the population which decide every election. And THAT is where both parties will direct their campaign.

[I am not sure of my numbers, but that is the gist of it]

As for my politics, I am Canadian, but I am leftist. However, I think McCain would be a better President for my country. Interpret that as you will.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

My worry with obama is that there's no guarantee of any policy. He's inexperienced and vague.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

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Originally Posted by The Crimson Major (Post 4352371)

My worry with obama is that there's no guarantee of any policy. He's inexperienced and vague.

do i really need to copy paste one single speech to prove you wrong

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

Oh, I'll do it for you.

I believe in change. Change will be great for america, because it will install new hope through change. By bringing change, hope will be achieved, and we will be able to change for the better, unlike my oponents who want to change for the worst and destroy hope.

ETC....

I donno why, but I realized something last night. To me, at least, the Obama campaign is a lot like Charlie and Candy Mountain. Vague, undetailed promises of hope and wonder and joyness, followed by getting his kidney stolen. In Obama's case, its vague undetailed promises of change and hope for the better, with all us getting is our wallet stolen.

As for the faith issue, to me its a non-issue. Pandering to religious organizations is as old as politics in the USA. Hell, Clinton did it back in 92, its how he won a good part of the south. One nice thing of being a non-mainstream religion is that I highly doubt politicians are ever going to pander towards me:P

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

I find your lack of HOPE! disturbing..