4370696

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 4th, 2008 10:39 PM

Too bad for Sudan and Burma and pretty much any African Nation that Bush didn't learn at all.

4370731

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 4th, 2008 11:15 PM

wow, finally we agree in something, yeah, so bad he didn't act before at Bosnia, but at least he made somehting, unlike we the euro slackers

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Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

Von Mudra

June 4th, 2008 11:15 PM

I always love how the left complains about all the other nations, and yet doesn't care that the same damn stuff was going on in Iraq. Make up your mind. We're going the diplomatic route on Sudan and Burma, shouldn't you be happy?

If anything, its proving why diplomacy doesn't always work.... We need to do to Sudan and Burma what we did in Iraq, but it'll never happen because people will whine and fuss about war. Sorry, but to me, in the end, war is INEVITABLE as a species. Diplomacy does not solve all, it is not an end all. In fact, it even becomes a weapon when put in the hands of tyrants, who use it to hide behind.

4370751

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 4th, 2008 11:32 PM

That's really nonsense, Sadam Hussein was a deactivated puppet with the actions taken by the Clinton administration, the economic blockage, the UN observers and those two parallels at north and south banned for his air forces. None of those actions were total war.

Now yes, you killed the man Sadam, but created a monster way more dangerous...for nothing, because the unfamous WMD's just exist in the hot mind of our buddy Knight and Sadam had not links with Al Qaeda, quite the oposite because they hated each other.

It's simple, it's called common sense, you must never start a war with no gain, just to look macho at the 6 o'clock news

4370779

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 5th, 2008 12:00 AM

Why am I reminded of the scene in Apocalypse Now when Martin Sheen gets his orders from General Corman to go upriver? -

"After that his ideas, methods, have become....unsound."

"Every man has got a breaking point. You and I have. Lobo Kurtz has reached his. And very obviously he has gone....insane."

4370787

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 5th, 2008 12:09 AM

Things probably wouldn't turn out in Sudan like they are in iraq, there would actually be a reason to invade sudan, we liked Saddam.

4370888

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 5th, 2008 03:16 AM

Except for the whole gassing the Kurds thing?

And having a crazy-assed (proven with Kuwait) dictator with a choke hold on the most precious resource we import...

Yes it was, in part, about the oil. It's just that everyone in power seems to have forgotten that. Everybody you meet whines about it being all about the oil, even though we try to be somewhat fair in the way we set up the Iraqis to manage their own oil exporting. I say fuck that. Might as well just take the damn oil eh? Damned if you do, damned if you don't, so you might as well do.

The only reason not to would be if we start to build rapport with the Iraqis and actually start to make significant headway. You know, build up and train an Iraqi army. Maybe let them take control of a couple key cities like Basra and Sadr City, maybe let them take a major part in operations. At this point the violence should go down quite a bit and things should quite down over there. Then we couldn't just take the oil everyone says we're taking because that would ruin everything we've accomplished.

But its so shitty over there right now we should screw them, take as much oil as possible, and invade the Sudan.

4371109

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 5th, 2008 07:43 AM

What is wrong with the world here, not just to point fingers at Bush?

Atrocities exist everywhere yet there are so few nations to react.

It will have to be some other nation(s) to step up because the media and world pressure has effectively neutered the US's ability to do something.

Providing answers/solutions is more much valuable than criticizisms and much harder to do...

One of the tangent's of Stallone's Rambo was a tie in to Burmese atrocities.

"When pushed to the wall, killing is as easy as breathing..." - John Rambo

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Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 5th, 2008 07:50 AM

Read Michael Yon's new book Moment of Truth in Iraq.

I just started but this is exactly what Gen Petraeus (petra Greek rock) has implimented in the surge.

Yon has some scathing criticisms about the USA early prosecution of the war (heavy handed, heavy hitting) but it reporting of a genuine change based on your comments Flyboy.

4371227

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 5th, 2008 09:21 AM

It's impossible to not become insane reading the absurd comments of you and your travel buddies here

The Horror...The Horror