I wouldn't call the Catholic Church a conservative force. It's anti-death penatly and led some of the biggest protest in the 80s against American tomfoolery in South America. It follows the international understanding of the faith, so it can't really be labelled simply as liberal or conservative. I think in '04 Catholics in America split 54/46 for Kerry.
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Originally Posted by Lobo
And you must know it well, since you are being trained as psycho killer in the marines, seals, rangers or any other of those organizations for dudes with Peter Pan syndrom
So basically if I can summarize many of the posts thus far:
1) It's OK for Obama to do this because the crazy Republicans are forcing him to do so.
2) It's OK for Obama to do this because he's a "different" kind of Christian than Mike Hukabee, George Bush, John McCain, etc.
I'm just waiting to hear from everyone that was so terrified by the thought of a Christian Mike Hukabee or some other kooky Christian Republican in the Oval Office. You know, those of you that posted 3/4 page diatribes on the evils of Christianity and world leaders praying to silly myths and legends. I'm a little dissapointed that I'm not seeing the same outrage over this.
My take, as a non-American-following-the-progress-intensely-from-newspapers-but-don't-really-know-much is this:
Obama did this, just as Clinton did, to secure votes from the more than average religious voters. I don't believe Obama is that much of a religious guy and if/when he get the president nod the religious remarks being made by him now will probably get shoved down his list of things to do or to take into consideration.
The difference with Huckabee is that this is a man who publicly has said that he doesn't believe in evolution theory and who believes homosexuality to be a sinful lifestyle. His comparison with abortion and the holocaust is something that raised my eyebrows aswell.
To be honest I don't give a beep if a politician is cristian or Zeus fanboy, I just want to know his stance about death penalty, homosexuals, migration and other sensible issues around human rights.
So, Huckabee....I guess no, thanks
PD: anyways as sceptic nihilist I see the colorful aproach to religion in public of american politicians as another one of your fun comedies...indeed
So if you don't really believe what you are saying and doing it for votes that's ok to use religion.
If you actually believe in God and His Word and make some life decisions based on that fact (no matter how distasteful to some) that is wrong.
Hmmmm.....
Since I consider myself atheist/agnostic my answer would be yes.
I realise the question of religion is different in the US compared to most of Europe (and probably my opinion of it compared to many others). Obama needs the votes of the religous crowd to have a shot at the president election so what can he do? He portays himself in a minor manner as someone who believes in God and christianity but that's it. He may very well be a religious person but in contrast to Huckabee he is not, I believe, someone who would make his decisions and beliefs solely based on the writings of the bible or the words of God.
Obama might be a hyppocrite regarding the religous question, but I would say the end in this case have to justificy the means. It's politics after all, if you aren't lying you're doing it wrong.
Again, I'm from a country where a politicians religious belief is as interesting as his choice of favourite ice-cream. He can believe what he want as long as he makes his decisions based on the values of our current society and not on some 2000ish years old writings. (Yes, I do know that some of our values today are based on the bible and that our lawbook will also be 2000 year old someday, but you'll hopefully understand what I'm trying to say.)
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Last edited by Frenkan; May 20th, 2008 at 03:08 PM.
Im with lobo on this one... its a frickin embarassment to me. Why is likeability, personality, sense of humor... even on the radar for a potential voters??? Its a joke. I swear to Zeus myself Im gonna write myself in!!! Shit, dont you have to be 35? I'll do it next time. Im gonna vote for whoever's on the weed ticket.
To be honest I don't give a beep if a politician is cristian or Zeus fanboy, I just want to know his stance about death penalty, homosexuals, migration and other sensible issues around human rights.
So, Huckabee....I guess no, thanks
PD: anyways as sceptic nihilist I see the colorful aproach to religion in public of american politicians as another one of your fun comedies...indeed
You know what Lobo, I agree with you too.
I'm sick of having to constantly hear about how sporting a president is. Or how he keeps fit, or if he's funny. Huckabee was funny as hell, and I would never, ever want him to be president.
The problem for Obama, and that was an embarrassment, is that a man that he is quoted as saying that he admires and looks up to is also a racial bigot. He quotes directly from some of his speeches in his book, and they're speeches that also contained many racist things...it would have been impossible for Obama to not have realized these things. He then totally destroyed the situation, and flip flopped back and forth on the issue before finally, at long last, abandoning him....
Anyways.
BTW, towards "middle east" guy, ie, Kessler, if you have something to say about my religion, say it to me in person. I'm a wiccan, and proud.
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