Edit: '08 dammit! 08' implies we're living in the ninth century.
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Originally Posted by Lobo
And you must know it well, since you are being trained as psycho killer in the marines, seals, rangers or any other of those organizations for dudes with Peter Pan syndrom
As you look at these, keep in mind that poor Huckabee was absolutely castigated by the Left and the US Media for a Christmas message on his website where a book shelf that was behind him in the frame might have sort of looked like a cross. Also, keep in mind that if a Republican even walks by a church he/she is attacked for being some kid of Christian right-wing zealot.
There are two reasons for this. The first is obvious, Huckabee is a Republican, and Obama is a Democrat. Republicans already appeal to right wing evangelical voters. To win an election they must also win support of those with more left wing values. Therefore a republican pushing himself as an evangelist is seen as very right wing, because he starts from the right, and sends right wing messages.
A Democrat however, starts from the left. They must appeal to right wing evangelical values. Therefore when somebody on the left sends out an evangelical message they are reaching out to other voters on the right. (Remember he can't lose the voters on the left cause it is a two party system, nobody else to vote for.) That's why Obama can get away with it, but Huckabee could not.
If that seems unfair, remember that it cuts both ways. Obama would not dare appear at, say, a safe injection clinic. That would be political suicide. He would be seen as a soft liberal. McCain however, as a Republican, could. It would only make him look like a moderate Republican.
Bizarre as it sounds, left politicians can send out right wing messages, but NOT left, and right politicians can send out left wing messages, but not right.
The other reason is a shift in Democrat tactics. They are finally waking up to the incredible folly of ceding the religious votes to the right. (A gianourmas mistake they made in the last half of the 20th century) Christianity does, after all, have some very fine 'leftist' beliefs. It does not have to be a right wing value at all. (Historically, Christians have generally been on the left in democracies.)
So wait, people don't want Obama to be muslim, but if he shows that he's christian, he's not allowed to do that either, it's a lose-lose situation, seems to be what you're saying.
(Historically, Christians have generally been on the left in democracies.)
hmm good points, there is a schizophrenic element here. For instance, take all of the NE working blue collar man (traditional) Im thinking Boston, NY, Philly. Most likely, Italian or Irish, Hispanic I would say the majority of this group, usually a union member (left) but also Catholic (right, by pro life, however often grass roots charity). weird position to say the least. Either way, are there individuals that fall for this propaganda??? Sadly, yes. The young and the stupid. Has Barack come out to play any musical instruments yet? What would a republican do in this situation? Maybe talk about being young ands hitting the pipe or something??? How do republicans participate in this garbage? Seriously, Im just not sure.
Who, is religion really that important in the United States?
Yes, particularly in what is shaping up to be a close race.
Not only religion as in belief of God but which flavor as Mormon vs. Catholic vs. Baptist.
We are still God's country...
But that is still not carte blanche to vote for one party or another. I've know Pentecostal/fundementalist Christians support the Democratic party (even with moral shenanigans going on) because they were born into that party and probably more tied to blue collar/union values then religious.
haha good thing all the Mexicans streaming in here are fairly devout Christians then, eh Gen'l Knight? I mean what if all of our immigrants were Muslims, the face of America would change.
haha good thing all the Mexicans streaming in here are fairly devout Christians then, eh Gen'l Knight? I mean what if all of our immigrants were Muslims, the face of America would change.
Si err I mean ghyes...
Not that there is anything wrong with being Muslim (thank you Jerry Seinfield!)...
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