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So if McCain had a band play one of those neo-Nazi metal songs at a campaign rally you wouldn't object?

If you're wondering, here's the lyrics for the anthem:

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Oh I would object, because they sing about nazi ideals. All this band does is play the soviet national anthem. Their songs have nothing to do with soviet anything.

Heres lyrics from one their more popular songs, clemitine.

You slept in your overalls, after the wrecking ball bereft you of house and home and left you with sweet fuck-all so we got in your car with our kickabout hearts and we hollered out 'Sweet Clementine'.

Tell your mom to marry us, a candle to carry us. With cans on our bicycle fenders. So sweet and hilarious. And we'll find us a home built of packaging foam that will be there 'til after we die.

And I'll play the clarinet. Use clamshells for castanets. We play with our bags on our shoulders, my sweet lady lioness. And I watch as you sleep so indelibly deep and I hum to you 'Sweet Clementine'.

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There's no dressing it up, it was the Soviet National Anthem. Big deal, you say? Well, they didn't choose the American national anthem did they? After all, don't want to piss off your audience.

The Decemberists take their name from the "Decembrists" (note the spelling difference), a group which attempted a revolution against the tsar in the 1820's. They're this cycle's uber-hip avatar of irony, angst, brokeness and despair. You know, the typical kind of sensitive singer/songwriters popular on campus, they look kinda dorky and lead guy writes lyrics which are fanciful, whimsical, odd and often impenetrable. (It means he's very deep and complex.) But, yeah, their politics are so predictable as to induce weeping instead of laughter. Here's a taste: YouTube - The Decembrists - 16 Military Wives

But hey, they "support the troops" so they did a "Brothers In Arms" song, the background sound for this amateur vid. YouTube - Vietnam War: Brothers in Arms

And they'll get around to visiting some of those poor, retarded, uneducated
soldiers one of these days, but they're just so busy these days...

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DO they actually sing the lyrics? I was under the impression they just played the insturmental version? Lyrics are a different level, if thats the case, i'm sorry.

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You couldn't of posted the lyrics, could you Jum? Noo, you had to throw in the aurual half of the equatition.

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I don't know...the lyrics I posted were the originals. It was changed after Stalin died to remove his name.

But regardless, you can't deny that this song means something, with or without the lyrics.

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The only reason Obama has the Decemberists play at his rallies is because they're amazingly popular with the kids. Don't look for any hidden agenda when all it comes down to is sheer popularity of the band.

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While you're probably right, I refuse to admit my generation could like the Decemberists.

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Hey, The Decemberists rock, like the Soviet Anthem and the Kalinka

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A JW post railing against his own generation?

now I've seen everything.

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We Millennials are a pretty worthless group. Never heard of the Decembrists band, but they can't be much worse than the God-awful jam bands my peers listen too (i.e. OAR and DMB).

If I ever won a huge cash award, I'd pull a Jeff Spicoli, and hire Van Halen to play at my birthday party. :lol:
For me, the only rock worth listening to, is Classic, particularly hard rock and heavy metal.

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Gah, and have the reanimated corspe of Eddie scare off everyone? I'd have the Foo Fighters for mine. Or maybe rent out the soundstage in Grant Park down town, get Henie to sponsor it and get Murhpy's to play. Make it a free event.

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LEEEEAVE EDDIE ALLONNNE!

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As a candidate, Obama seems closest to Adlai Stevenson, who ran, and lost, against Eisenhower twice. That doesn't mean he closely resembles Stevenson, because Obama differs from Stevenson greatly in background, education, length of public service and depth of experience. Also, neither Stevenson, nor any presidential candidate for a major party in the last 100 years*, claimed friendship with revolutionary bombers or others using or advocating the use of violence to overthrow the government of the United States. Big difference.

But Stevenson's supporters and some of Obama's are the closest match: those who consider themselves the educated elite. Obama's appeal is broader than to just this group, but it is a type of supporter common to both him and Stevenson. Common to some of them is a sense of superior decision-making ability: they feel that the only choice for the thinking person is their man; the only logical candidate is their man, etc.

There was a tremendous inborn arrogance on the part of much of Stevenson voters, although many would have been shocked to hear themselves so described. It is that same sense of pride in superior breeding, refined taste, intelligence and expensive education, that feeling of "specialness" and the sense of entitlement that goes with it, which I see in so many of the commentators, writers, columnists, academics and other vocal Obama backers.

It's the kind of feeling that left Stevenson supporters dumbfounded that they could have lost, twice!, to such an "obviously" inferior man as Eisenhower, who was so pedestrian and bland; who was not nearly as smooth and didn't dress nearly as elegantly as Adlai. The precise feeling that led famous mega-liberal movie critic Pauline Kael (and surely previously a supporter of Stevenson) to famously wail in shocked disbelief about Nixon's win in 1968: "I can't believe Nixon won - nobody I know voted for him!" - never realizing how disconnected she and her friends were from the rest of America, and how tiny and insular was their world.

I see that same attitude in many of the Obama supporters who have commented about their support. And I think, barring some out-of-left-field bizarre twist, they'll be wailing like Pauline Kael come November, when Obama can't take California, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, Ohio or Illinois. Once again the voting map will show heavy blue around coastal urban populations, but massive swath of red between. The Dems will have ignored the fact that the majority of the voters are elsewhere. And Obama will have lost to the weakest Republican candidate since Bob Dole and Gerald Ford, who were flatly unelectable. Obama will lose in spite of the fact the Republican candidate is Republican in name only, and will have lukewarm support from his party. But Obama and his supporters will have alienated far more traditionally Democrat voters, and they will either stay home or even vote for the non-offensive Republican.



*Eugene Debs, who was at one time or another allied with, supported by or friends with all manner of anarchists, violent labor-unionists (IWW) and hardcore revolutionaries of all stripes, was a candidate of the Socialist Party in every presidential election from 1900-1920, except for 1916; but the greatest percentage of the votes he ever got was around 6% - not a major player or even a spoiler a la Ross Perot.

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I can only hope you are right Jumjum...just today Obama goes to Miami on Cuban independence day and gives a speech calling for negotiations with the Raul Castro regime. He then says he supports maintaining the embargo until Cuba releases all political prisoners. Nice one, Barack...

Here's a video of the intro to a Decemberists concert - the lyrics are clearly part of the performance.

I repeat, if a band playing before a John McCain campaign event opened with, say, Horst-Wessel-Lied, the entire world would be having a fit, and rightly so.

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You nailed it on the entitlment thing Jum, but if the O-man doens't take Illinois I will shit a brick.

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Indecision 2008 - West Virginia | The Daily Show With Jon Stewart | Comedy Central
:flag:


Yay Fox News?

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Hand to the chest, traitors to workers class and aristocrat wanabees.
Go Comrade Obama, the hope of free world is in your sex appeal!

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That's just me whistling past the cemetery. ;)


Now, the "Meadowlands" thing. Wikipedia says the orig was adopted in 1944, and so of course it has explicit references to the war and Great Comrade Stalin. But by 1977, and with Stalin officially declared a Cult Of Personality, lyrics were changed to omit reference to him. Here are the two versions. (Sound files can be found at Wikipedia.)

1944 version:
The unbreakable union of free republics
Great Russia has welded forever;
Created by will of the peoples,
long liveThe united, mighty Soviet Union!

CHORUS:Be renowned, our free Fatherland,
Reliable bulwark of the friendship of peoples!
Soviet flag, people's flagLet it lead from victory to victory!

Through tempests shined on us the sun of freedom,
And the great Lenin lit us the way.Stalin brought us
upon loyalty to the people,
He inspired us to labor and to heroism!

CHORUS:Be renowned, our free Fatherland,
Reliable bulwark of the happiness of peoples!
Soviet flag, people's flag
Let it lead from victory to victory!

We developed our army in battles,
We will sweep the vile aggressors from the way!
In battles we settle the fate of generations,
We will lead our Fatherland to glory!

CHORUS:Be renowned, our free Fatherland,
Reliable bulwark of the glory of peoples!
Soviet flag, people's flag
Let it lead from victory to victory!

1977 lyrics

Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand.
Created in struggle by will of the people,
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

CHORUS:
Sing to the Fatherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

2.
Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labour and valourous deed.

CHORUS

3.
In the victory of Communism's deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!

CHORUS

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

There is another version, the current Russian national anthem. The funny thing is that quite a few Russians still sing the old version because they like the lyrics more (or are too lazy to learn new lyrics every few years).

For a while the Russians also considered using the melody of the march "Farewall of Slavianka", which you might want to download if you like this sort of music.

And while you're at it look for "esli zavtra woina" or "belaya armiya, chornij baron". Most of that stuff can be downloaded legally.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

A song with a different tune was used as the Russian anthem from 1992-2000. Vladmir Putin made the change back to the old tune in 2000.

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Which is not the only thing from the "good old days" that former-KGB-head Vlad The Impaler wants to bring back. Bush "looked into his soul" and saw good? Oh my aching ass, what an idiot.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

He could have just been giving a political line there too; in the same way talks with Iran could actually make a difference... THEY WON'T.

All words attributed to polichickens always must be scrutinized with an electron microscope.

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<_<

I like the Soviet National Anthem. It's much prettier than the US's, which really, is nigh as bad as "O'Canada". But Deutschlandlied still remains the most beautiful national anthem ever.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I really love Italy's national anthem.

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psh.

I have 1 Italian rifle, .99, only dropped once...

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

What's your point lol?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I'm not taking any anti-Star Spangled Banner nonsense off you morons.

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On your knees!!!

YouTube - The Star Spangled Banner

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I think the old Soviet anthem is very stirring, and La Marseillaise too. I think those two work best as being very powerful and moving from a purely musical and politically neutral point of view.

Is the anthem of the Russian Federation still the "Meadowlands" melody? For some reason I thought they discarded that in 90-91.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Oh yeah, La MArseillaise makes me want to fight some Nazi Occupation, love stirring songs like that.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

I think the current anthem has the same melody as the Soviet anthem, but different lyrics.

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Lobo, I see your Hendrix and raise you Team America.

YouTube - TEAM AMERICA- AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

My answer to the question
In my opinion it cant go worse then its already is
The us is becoming a police state
Daily Kos: State of the Nation

You guys are screwed....:)
Maybe you all should move to mexico or canada

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Okay, from the sound of it you're not an American, so I'll cut you some slack in not understanding why that post is complete BS. (But you should know to check your sources anyway)

First off, Kos is not a unbiased source. (It's also hysterical, but that's for another post) It is heavily vested in publishing every insane conspiracy it can find against anyone who disagrees with the group-think.

Second, Radar Magazine is not a reputable news magazine. Right now, one of their main articles is "How do I prove I hooked up with my straight friend?" featuring Spencer from The Hills.


Third, the article itself is full of twenty year old conspiracy theories and bullshit science. The Kos post is the same, taken to a heavy extreme. And "A senior government offical" is not a source if it can't be varified.

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If I read the nutcase Daily Kos, I too would have such beliefs...:rolleyes:

But I have little reason to fear our government, as the US Military will always protect We The People. Not to mention we still have the right to bear arms, for the time being at least.

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"You must spread" yadda yadda. As long as a people has the means (and the will) to protect itself, it can never be enslaved.

What is much more troubling to me is that we have a generation now rising which has members so grotesquely ignorant of history, so completely blind to historical proportion and scale, that they can in seriousness say things like, "In my opinion it cant go worse then its already is The us is becoming a police state" (As we say in the adult world, "sic".)

This rising generation was also raised with such total self-centeredness and sense of alienation that many of its members have absolutely no sense of debt or duty to their country and fellow citizens.

But, as noted by 8th Wise, such an attitude is understandable when its holders voluntarily subject themselves to the ravings of a website devoted to the politically naive and historically ignorant among Generation Fringe.

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Seconded.

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Thirded. And wow, I go away for 2 days, and this thread becomes a national anthem debate thread. Nice.

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Daily Kos - ha.

Might as well use the Onion as a source.

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It would probably be closer to the truth....and a helluva lot less nasty.

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I really suppose you don't know the lyrics then :p they're the XIX century equivalent of "we're the pwnz0rs!!!1!1!!eleveneleven"

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Well, I've heard them sang before, but sadly I do not know Italian.

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Man Finally Put In Charge Of Struggling Feminist Movement | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
This might have been the single funniest thing I read, last year.

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If you, fossils, hate The Daily KOS, it must rock

/adds to his favourites

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Daily Kos is just an overly Liberal publication, has some worthwhile things. But ultimately it is just as bad as bullshit Rightwing crap like Rush Limbaugh.

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(I guess, I am just thumbing their chests)

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That expression does not work well in English. It should be "Just thumbing their chests, no homo."

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Go thumb yourself