Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Not really following your point here. Perhaps it's an English language thing again.

Yes, this thread is about the upcoming election. Last time I checked, Obama is the presumptive Democrat nominee and Huckabee is a former Republican candidate and still a possible VP choice for McCain.

How is this not about the election?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Really? It's only "less true" if you have preconceived beliefs and this book simply reinformces what you've "believed all along". Which is exactly my point, other former press secretaries from this and other administrations have written books, but they've only gotten play when they reconfirmed the prevailing opinion of the media at the time.

And as for it being true at all, I'll leave you with this:

Scott McClellan Originally Planned to Attack Media, Defend Bush | NewsBusters.org

Although today his book is being touted by left-wing reporters and pundits, his initial plans for the project show former White House press secretary Scott McClellan intended to take a much different approach, one that was more sympathetic to President Bush but also quite hard on the "liberal elites" of the Washington press corps and their "hostility" toward the administration.


Reading through McClellan's original book proposal, obtained by Politico.com, it is clear that before his editor Peter Osnos took the book on a sharp leftward turn, McClellan wanted to turn the tables on foes in the press gallery including far-left columnist Helen Thomas and NBC correspondent David Gregory.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Please refer to Rafterman's usual on-the-point remarks...

Hell, I could write a book like McCellan's - I've heard this crap for so long.

To me it's just a case that some people think the more you repeat something falicious the more it is hoped it is accepted as truth.

As far as "pulling stuff out of my ass" my observations are based on summarizations of multiple conservative talks shows that have documented the hell out of their statements.

And for Liberals to claim they can document anything as true is an oxymoron.

Can you say "it depends on what the definition of is is"?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

left right nazi democrat blabla , opinions are opinions , facts are just that , facts , there arent left or conservative facts.

So you are saying what he wrote in the book isnt true ? about manipulating ? lying ? its stuff we knew for a FACT was this way from DAY ONE , at least everywhere but the usa it seems, what makes this book different is that its the first time someone from the bush administration directly admits it.

That book could be a print of some LEFTISTS LIBERAL BLOG with the guys name on it, it wouldnt make it less true, you can believe what you like, but if you really think what he wrote wasnt already common knowledge and if you really think its not true , then guess what its just you cause not even the current administration tries to deny it.

He could do it for the money , he could do it for the truth to be known , he could do it to get back at them , he could have just copy pasted some blog , could be schizo , be on a bad acid trip , pretended to like bush to write a book about it later , i dont care and it doesnt matter , truth is the truth, and it seems no matter what you dont want to believe it.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Have you read the book? Do you have any specific facts and their proof to lay down on us?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

No Stefan you are so wrong in this one assumption - just because something is written it is true.

Think about what you are saying - anyone on a blog (on the Absolute Truth Internet no less) writes something, Scotty can copy it and it is still true?

There is a little thing called motive that has to be considered and then the resulting cause and effect of an act.

You may be the most honest of people Stefan on the Earth and would never lie in your writing but what makes you think this tactic is not politcally expediant for others to use?

Things are written spoken in lies and half truths all the time just to see if the concept can gain some sort of life and force a political edge.

But here is the real truth:

"So you are saying what he wrote in the book isnt true ? about manipulating ? lying ? its stuff we knew for a FACT was this way from DAY ONE , at least everywhere but the usa it seems..."

It's called hatred of Bush and correspondingly the USA. When you say "we" I assume you mean your fellow Europeans. Thank you for your honesty.

What I wouldn't want to admit is how easy you'all (insert favorite country/countinent here) are mislead by a lying media. Don't feel too bad though because a good portion of our own country has drunk the koolaid as well...

Most of the Conservatives on this forum have gone out of our way time and time again to point this out the fact that major media in the USA and the World has a slant to the left and it has been very successful.

However (and we will dance around this) a person believes what he wants to beileve mostly to keep himself comfortable within his mental/emotional self.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

living under a stone for the past 7 years ? too much fox news ? let me ask you this , do you not believe what he writes or just calling me out to actually have to copy paste some more for you.

aka do you believe bush never lied or manipulated the american ppl.

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

nice try to call me an anti american , i always make it pretty clear i hate bush though so , np being anti bush.name calling usually happens when someone runs out of ideas.

You didnt read what i wrote , its not true cause of being copied of whatever , its true cause it has been proven to be true already outside of the book. do i really need to give examples ? ( did you not notice no one is claiming he is lying , even the bush admin themself )

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

What if Mccellans book is completely true?

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?
 

Yeah, right here. I'm asking for examples. Quotes, statistics, anything that can be sourced to What Happened and something to substantiate it.