4364847

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

May 31st, 2008 02:24 PM

Ah Lobo - the predictable anarchist. I can't believe it took you this long to bring up old Scotty.

Point #1: Scotty was forced to resign (i.e. fired) for being an incompetent idiot who couldn't do his job nor handle the press. Right, no ax to grind there. Funny how Ari Fleischer - another former Bush press secretary - got virtually no mention of his book when it was published. I guess he didn't say anything the media liked.

Point #2: Scotty was routinely vilified by the liberal left for being a lying mouthpiece of the administration - funny how they all want to have him be the father of their children now.

Point #3: The media have routinely ignored tell-all books about the liberal left, particularly the Clintons, for years - even when those books have shot to the top of the bestseller list like old Scotty's has. And even when liberal darling George Stephanopoulos cast an unfavorable light on Bill Clinton in his book "All Too Human: A Political Education" he was called a "turncoat," a "backstabber," and an "ingrate" A far cry from the standing ovation Scotty boy is getting.

Point #4: Scotty's publisher, Perseus Books Group, publishes the work of far left authors almost exclusively and is closely tied to George Soros - in fact, they've published six of his books. So yeah, no agenda there.

Point #5: And -this is a big one - George Bush isn't running in November. All of this focus on Bush by the Dems and the media will be what will vault McCain into the White House come November. Kind of like the old military adage of "fighting the last war".

So come Tuesday we'll all be back in Obama/Hillary primary land and everyone will have forgotten about old Scotty and his 15 minutes of fame.

4364856

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

May 31st, 2008 02:40 PM

Well, if to be an incompetent idiot would be a reason to be fired in the Bush Administration he should fire everybody and then fire himself, don't you think?

Talk about predictable all you want, but the fact is you are very fast posting irrelevant crap about your enemies and very slow for self-critic, the McClellan issue should be a very interesting debate theme, but your mouths were very closed in the hope nobody would bring it to the table

4364906

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

May 31st, 2008 03:27 PM

So sweet to see you guys alienate each other.
I'm looking forward to see you playing together in a squad next time.

If you ask me, it doesn't matter who wins. So many things have been done wrong in the last 8 years, it will take more than a decade to recover the losses. And if Bush is really going to bomb or attack Iran in August, it might bring another setback for world economy. Bush tried to put off peak oil to a later date, but as we see he failed and things went into the other direction.

Note that the world is currently talking of Bush, not of the U.S. as the bad boy. Bush and his policy harmed worldwide reputation of the States, and that is just another reason why every jumping jack seeks for his opportunities to cause trouble as the world is at variance.

Unfortunately there is no real culture of critism in the States. Mentioning the things you don't like about a country is a big 'no-no' in the U.S. and among its citizens, only appropriate to harden the frontlines. And here is the reason for U.S. media failing in its role it should serve in a democracy. At least that is the result of discussion going on in foreign and european media. Media did not tell people the truth, but acted as a servant of the government. This is quiete hard to understand for the outsiders, but comes along with the fact that critics, especially in wartimes, are a 'no-no' again. Its just that many things the U.S. do, are of public interest here and have been discussed intensely within the past years, which might not have been reflected properly in U.S. media, but caused people to get a stabilized idea of the situation on their own.

So, whomever you vote, things can only get better. And maybe there will come the days again, when US exchange students don't have to justify themselfes for being americans or have to explain, that not every american is a bush sympathizer to make others treat em less like an alien.

4364920

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

May 31st, 2008 03:41 PM

Unfortunately I don't think Obama's promised tour of sucking up and butt-kissing is going to help matters.

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Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

Von Mudra

May 31st, 2008 04:48 PM

Dukat, I think you've missed something about this thread.

The USA DOES foster LOTS of "culture of critism." What we're complaining about on this forum is the media lying to us from the CRITICS standpoint, NOT as it were the government's standpoint.

I've noticed this a lot from some forigners. They seem to think that here in the USA there is little to no critisicm of the Bush admin, the war, or such. The media here does nothing BUT critisize the government, mate. And most people too. Hell, if you've listened to us, even those of us who support McCain, the war, and such, still attack Bush for how he handled the aftermath, how he's handled immigration, and other things. I attack McCain for his fervent belief in global warming hysteria, and attempt with the democrats to ban freedom of speech for certain political bloggers.

4366895

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 2nd, 2008 07:45 AM

Jump to conclusions much?

This discussion is about the upcoming election. Once again, Bush isn't running in November, nor is anyone from his administration. In fact, McCain is a vocal critic of the Bush administration.

Scotty's book is about as relevant to this discussion as a book about Bill Clinton's administration would have been in 2004.

4366899

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 2nd, 2008 07:49 AM

No offense, but you really have no idea what you're talking about. You can't watch a news show or read a newspaper without criticisms of the Bush Administration and government in general. Even Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity routinely criticize Bush. Not to mention, we do have that new fangled internet technology that allows us access to news sites all over the world.

4366967

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 2nd, 2008 08:43 AM

It wasn't an error my friend just a little poetic license playing on the word "sorcery."

It seems my attempts at subtle humor continue to miss the mark ...

4366988

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 2nd, 2008 09:12 AM

Dukat (and I do enjoy being on your squads ) Rafter is right (as usual.)

In fact, I heard something last week that I have to agree with. CNN and its mainstream buddies are actually reporting the news like they would to its friends across the waters, not to its USA constituents.

To make it a litttle plainer, that means a hatred/bias of the USA is totally acceptible.

There is a misconstrueing of news but it is always to the negative of the USA image - always. If it wasn't for them having to pay the appropriate lip service for what occurred on 9/11 it's no telling how much more the USA public would be railroaded down the Goebbels path to a good old one world mindset.

Scott Mc and Mr. Bush - my guess is that he had someone (leftist) ghostwrite his book. He wasn't doing as well financially as his predecessors at that illustrious position and just (in a campaign season and not 2-3 years ago) happen to feel a bit like Hemmingway.

But let's talk about a very strategic mistake in politics as a President and it doesn't really matter what party you belong to: why do you let "liberals" (if you are conservative or visa versa) anywhere in your organization?

This can be the State Department, CIA, NSA, DOD wherever? Why? To let them spear you all along the political path that you have to travel for eight years and beyond? Not very good Art of Warish if you ask me.

The sad truth is probably because you are only a little bit of Liberal yourself. There are worst reasons but none that normal mortals can prove.

And the crux of the issue is that the USA "Conservative"/Republicans have compromised us out of a Newt Gringrich power base into utter worthlessness with three people running for president that are just different shades of blue.

It seems like the principles that propelled Ronald Reagan into two landslides victories don't seem to have appeal for our Conservative "leaders" even though they still reasonant strongly with the rank and file today.

Scott McCellan will end up standing by himself come new year because after the elections, he wil be disgarded as the temporary tool that he is.

4367102

Re: Barack Obama, should I be worried?

June 2nd, 2008 10:24 AM

Really?

To me this looks like "let's open a thread with some random nothingness to bash Obama". I am just playing with your rules. I doubt the evil "left" media bashed Huckabee because he is christian, I bet they did because the Templars knights had more advanced ideas than him and because a politician must keep his religion as something private and not as a reference for his proposals of government. If you disagree I don't understand how you can bash the evil iranian mullahs, same dogs with diferent necklaces.

Hey, I am likeing this man