Global Warming.

[Komrad_B]

Originally Posted by N1GHTM4R3

EDIT: ya the earth is warming (a little) BUT its not dangerous and it has nothing to do with HUM4N5 its a NATURAL cycle and in another 100 years or so it will be "the next ice age" LOL

Natural climate cycles usually happen in thousands of years, not 100. Ice ages usually happen every 50-75 thousand years, mostly because of changes in the earth's orbit. The next ice age is due in 50 000 years, so I doubt we start cooling soon

Originally Posted by Gen'l Knight

And yes 20 years or so ago, we were supposed to be headed toward an Ice Age without even Ray Romano.

That theory was far from being as well estabilished as the current climate change theories. Global Cooling theory presented that a new Ice Age was supposed to start (following the "little ice age" in the late middle ages, I presume). Knowledge on climate has grown substantially since them, the proof being that this theory was dropped.

Originally Posted by Gen'l Knight

Earlier posts have stated that Mars is warming also.

The point being?... We're talking about Earth, both planets do not follow the same orbits, do not have the same athmospheres and are not at the same distance from the sun. To draw comparisons between the two, without giving ANY other revelant information on the subject other than saying (LOOK! MARS IS WARMING TOO! The sun MUST burn more, right?) doesn't help at all and is potentially misguiding. Maybe Mars is warming because of a change in its orbit around the sun?

[Fuzzy Bunny]

Originally Posted by Gen'l Knight

The end result is a great distrust of industrialzation and a move to tree hugging. There is an agenda here.

That's a straw man and you know it.

Nobody's asking anyone to move back to caves, to stop eating beef, or to go out and shoot themselves (although I can think of several FOX news anchors where I wouldn't be so sure.)

Feel free to disagree with me on the following. However, if you do so, I ask that you carefully read my wording:

-climate is changing (in various ways, probably due to various causes)
-one of those causes, possibly a major one although we're not sure beyond reasonably-compelling-if-not-final evidence, is man-made pollution
-said pollution is responsible for a whole lot of other problems not directly (although possibly indirectly) related to global warming
-causes of said pollution are directly responsible for a whole lot of other indirect problems (I don't know about you but I do not relish the idea of being in thrall to Saudi Arabia, or of the Yangtse river dolphin going extinct to a large degree from pollution)
-climate change, however minor, results in major environmental, economic, geological and social changes elsewhere due to the highly complex, interrelated nature of the way a planet works (that's not hippie mumbo-jumbo, that's science, you know, the nice people in the funny white coats who keep saying that cavemen didn't ride dinosaurs)
-doing minor things which cut back on aforementioned pollution (developing alternative energy sources, using public transportation, recycling) do not infringe on your convenience or rights as a free human being and go very far towards addressing the sources of all the above problems. We're not sure if that'll fix the warming, but there's a distinct possibility that it might, but taking economic clout out of the hands of a bunch of terrorist-financing fanatical wahhabi idiots sure sounds like a good plan to me, ne?

This reminds me of the discussion about the ozone layer in the '70s, when people yelled and screamed about not being able to use CFCs. CFCs bunch up in the atmosphere and destroy ozone, as a result of which more harmful solar radiation gets through, as a result of which there are species mutations and more skin cancer, as a result of which who the hell knows, but it's bad. This is proven, and with the near-removal of CFCs from circulation, the ozone hole is getting better.

Put it this way: let's say there's a 10% chance that car-based pollution causes kittens to explode. Humvees let out more pollution than most other cars. Humvees are also impossible to see past in traffic, thus causing accidents, and all Humvee salesmen are child molesters, and buying from them lets them buy more Vietnamese orphan children to molest. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN? Now let's say there's a way to get around this pretty easily by buying a different car, that doesn't pollute as much. Hence, possibly less kittens exploding, but definitely less Vietnamese orphan children molesting. Only catches: it costs a bit more, and dear god, it would infringe on your right to buy a Humvee. No walking to school in the snow, barefoot, uphill both ways, no having to trade in that Armani suit for a hair shirt, no abandonment of evil dentistry because, you know, it just isn't fair to people who can't get evil dentistry. Just a different car, costing slightly more, possibly helping to fix problem (a) and definitely helping to fix problem (b). Where, exactly, is this leading us back to a goddamm stone age?

I understand that a lot of the global warming eggheads are knee-jerk sackcloth-wearing anti-enlightenment hippies with a bad attitude and bad teeth. But that shouldn't prevent you, as a thinking individual, from taking a step back and, instead of doing your own knee-jerk association of anyone who argues, based on observational and analytical evidence, that there IS something happening and it MAY well be caused partially by us, with aforementioned bad-teethed hippies, and thus sitting in a corner with your eyes and ears covered, yelling LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

That's just dumb.

[Moose12]

The bottom line is, you can't deny that global warming exists. You can think it may not affect the world as others, but there is no way somebody in their right mind can deny that it exists. This past weekend I read 6+ national geographics, and all the melting ice in the north pole and the changing weather, you're just going to say it's just circumstance, not global warming?

[N1GHTM4R3]

The bottom line is, you can't deny that global warming exists. You can think it may not affect the world as others, but there is no way somebody in their right mind can deny that it exists. This past weekend I read 6+ national geographics, and all the melting ice in the north pole and the changing weather, you're just going to say it's just circumstance, not global warming?




lol that blunt......


THE BOTTOM line is, you can deny that global warming exists. You can think it may be real, but there is no way somebody in their right mind can say that it exists. This past weekend I read 6+ REAL science magazines, and all the growing ice in the north and south pole. ALL changing weather is just circumstance, and global warming does not exists!

[Coca-Cola]

To add to rbc's comments, we have a pond/mini lake(can't really call it a rinky dinky pond) which you could skate on when we had just moved to the place and there was snow everywhere during the winter. Now, it rains all winter...for the last 7 years. Before those 7 years, the snow just got more and more pitiful.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bunny

-causes of said pollution are directly responsible for a whole lot of other indirect problems (I don't know about you but I do not relish the idea of being in thrall to Saudi Arabia, or of the Yangtse river dolphin going extinct to a large degree from pollution)

Unluckily the Americans are saved partially by the Canadian oil sands, which have been almost all bought up by American "investors". All hail the Humvee!!!

[N1GHTM4R3]

about America(na) it nots GW going to kill us it will be taxes/lawyers that will make us go bankrupt in 5 or 10 years

[Real-BadSeed]

We are heading for an ice age eventually, this is the start.

First we heat up creating lots drought and heatwaves and also lots of evaporated water=greenhouse effect=extreme heavy cloud cover=blocked sun=very cold rainy=snow blizzard=frozen wastelane=ice age.

Imo weather builds on itself, until if causes a shift to an extreme as a countermeasure. Then it makes a slow recovery. One way to naturally get rid of greenhouse gases is have it cause an ice age for awhile. We wont see all of this in our lifetime it will take longer than that. The ice age i mean, but for now prepare for more extreme weather world wide, thats every kind of weather. Depending where you live will determine what you get.

It may be part of a natural cycle, however humans may have inadvertantly helped start the next shift in the cycle. Who knows we may even have been through this before, our species maybe barely surviving the last ice age, and now were here doing it again.(hypothetical) We could be on the verge of losing all of our civilization and knowledge, and it may not even be the first time.

(I should write a movie script around that!) The Day The Earth Froze!

[stylie]

RBS, read this book. I will say that this is pretty much a "what if" scenario. Not entirely based on facts and science but entertaining none-the-less. written by 2 guys, one tells a fictional story, the other goes into the science of the matter and they alternate chapters. I bought it for my dad, then it was made into a movie. "The Day after Tomorrow". I love it when Ive read a book and later it becomes a movie. anyways... One of the fascinating parts is the way they look back in time for ancient civilizations and they being wiped out. They talk about yonaguni... the pyramids... ancient trans-oceanic trade routes and the possibilty of things being waaaaaaaaaaaaaay older then we previously "believe". Be warned, this is not jumjum material!!! But it will raise some interesting points and get you researching things afterwards.

[Real-BadSeed]

Ive seen the movie already

I actually believe Ice Ages can only be caused two ways, a major geological event like a huge volcano or maybe several. Or a meteor/comet strike. In either case it causes huge volumes of material to be expelled high into the atmosphere causing a situation similar to a nuclear winter. Which is essentially an Ice Age. Who know how long it takes to correct itself.

I do believe we are in for alot more severe weather, huge tropical storms, much hotter, humid climate and possible expansion of jungle type climate, eventually... However other areas will suffer desertification. Oh and lots of rain all the time...And cloudy 99% of the time. In some ways it will be good for earth. It will help green up the place. And flush the system. But it will be a rough ride for many areas.

edit: Could lead to scantily clad women aswell if its hot enough.

[zuiquan1]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy Bunny

(which we can pretty clearly agree has been the case overall, ne?)

Sou Deshou.....