Why do you guys assume the shooters in america are deranged maniacs and not political/religious maniacs? The uni-bomber was an anti-tech, anti-industrialization maniac. In other words most of the so called maniacs in america had reasons, they werent just deranged, frothing at the mouth lunatics.
Clearly these school shootings are not done by terrorists. Anybody that kills students without a reason has to be insane, no sane person could do that. This is even more evident when the shooters always kill themselves because they are trapped and don't know what to do. What were the reasons of these maniacs? A lot of maniacs have reasons, but they are so maniacal that they consititute insanity. What were charles manson reason? Or Ed Geen?
Clearly these school shootings are not done by terrorists. Anybody that kills students without a reason has to be insane, no sane person could do that. This is even more evident when the shooters always kill themselves because they are trapped and don't know what to do. What were the reasons of these maniacs? A lot of maniacs have reasons, but they are so maniacal that they consititute insanity. What were charles manson reason? Or Ed Geen?
Good point. The stories are now coming in, "He was strange" "He stalked me" "His writings were deeply distubing" I heard he may have tried arson, and he had already been committed for observation, asked to get councelling and has been suicidal.
I wonder who is more to blame, the gun seller or the University rife with political correctness and an unwillingness to be judgemental. Clearly, more should have been done to get that guy some help.
Also, I imagine that the US is technically NOT the easiest place in this world to get a gun. Legal of course. Guns are just yet another way we can hurt eachother. There is always carbombs and arson, poison and all kinds of messy ways that a disturbed psychotic individual can come up with.
The gun angle is irrelavent. Why? Its too late, too many. Ban them and now what? They suddenly go away? Once the job is underway, the only thing that would have stopped him would have been someone packing the heat.
Read his plays and tell me he wasn't a deeply disturbed individual. For one thing, judging by the quality of his writing, he had no business being in an English program. Second, he writes about molestation and abusive father-son relations, sexual abuse and dads killing sons.
This guy wasn't out there for a larger political goal, he was just fucked up and had the means to carry out one of his fucked up fantasies.
C: What the hell kind of name is Yossarian?
S: It's Yossarian's name, sir.
My Point was, that a reason is a reason is a reason, and it really doesnt matter what it is. All these shooters world wide have reasons. I doubt they are just frothing at the mouth maniacs.
Who knows what this guys bitch was, but he definately had one. And he definately was targeting certain people.
You guys in europe keep implying that you can buy guns from Supermarkets and Gas-Stations in N.America? Where do you get that crap from? Its not true at all, we have stringent gun laws here. Waiting periods, police checks, etc. etc. We just havent banned them outright. You cant walk around in any urban area with a weapon here legally. We have rules on transporting weapons here. There are rules on where you can legally discharge weapons here. All hunting is licenced and regulated. Automatic weapons are prohibited here too, unless a very special permit.
We are not a bunch of gun toting rednecks over here ya know...We just have a long history with guns here. btw i have to have a gun, because i regularily have Black Bears in my backyard. And there's 150lb mountain lions in the hills where i go fishing.
Just to answer to fuzzy officialy,
I still don't understand why the french cité has to do here. If the policemen can enter in cités it is because they have deserted the place. If the proximity police have stay everthing would be different.
French policemen is raising in france we are even over usa (about 400 per 100 000 but usa is bigger and with widespace). The buget and recuitment has also raise and police men has now tazer, flashball and some other new toys.
So i still don't see the point.
You also told me that you know europe history, so you certainly know that the geographical situation is far different from europe where every country want to get access to his neighbourg ressource.
Free weapons for all have never been set-up and weapons have still be the soldier matter.
Modern war show that owning a guns only increase the gravity of the situation and raising violence
From what i listen, the guys has spend some time in psychiatric house which mean that he shouldn't have touch a weapons if the law was fair ...
Fuzzy, your post was erased, you can't use that kind of words, even if I love some of them, like cretin, that has a very poetic origin.
OK, I'm sorry, I thought about it and it wasn't really worth it.
Seth_soldier, you obviously did not read my post. Nor do you want a civilized dialog.
-I do not watch FOX news
-I do not live in the United States (somewhere you've obviously never been, as you have some very strong feelings about people who live there)
-I got my information about French security from living within 10 miles of the French border for 15 years, and within 100 miles for another 5 years of my life, and visiting there regularly (maybe you recall, amazingly enough for an American, I even speak relatively fluent French.) Oh, and from a lot of conversations with French POLICE in Grenoble and Paris when I was working for Bull (look it up)
-I never implied any victim was worthless. I correctly implied that Europe has its fair share of murders and violent acts by crazies (I do not draw a difference between Timothy McVeigh, the VT guy, the Algerian Salafists, and the Madrid bombers, with the exception that some of them had political motives in addition to being crazy, evil murderers.)
-I'm a Swiss citizen, and hold an American passport as well
-I own my guns in SWITZERLAND (5 neighbors, not 2.)
-I am not afraid of any of them, I am afraid of whatever government I live under. I would be more so if I lived in the US.
-I know more about European history, politics, geography and sociology than you do, or probably ever will, from a combination of education, self-information, living there for a long long time, speaking 5 languages and extensive travel. But I doubt whether you care, as you already seem to know more about me and about Americans and America and guns and politics and whatnot than any of us ever will, as we are such ignorant FOX-propagandized fools.
Instead of attacking others, maybe inform yourself first and your opinions wouldn't come across as so stupid, vicious, and ignorant. They are the reason why many Americans think so many Europeans are arrogant twits (not true, only some of them.)
Not really satisfactory, but allowed for youngsters ears, and I will tell you why
because you are a wise and cult person and a really cult and wise person would know that we, everybody, are ignorants drops in the ocean of time....ohmmmm. Even Louis Pasteur, the man who knew more about the rhabia was, I guess, a total ignorant about the reproductive habits of ornithorrincus, am I wrong?
Seth called you ignorant (in this exact theme I team up with him, you are) and you still think that you can overshadow him with your brilliant handling of the shakespeare language in all its sarcastic power (and the others four you own)
The problem here is: I, I and later I (refering to you)...you own a good collection of weapons and you think is a hell of fun to use them in your local firing range, so let's screw the world, you over everything. And to justify your wills and ego you will use a good collection of excuses, way more wise and cult than the excuses of the average NRA nerd because you are cult and wise, but excuses too.
I am astonished that you have the nerve of use the european terrorism in this discussion, the ETA and IRA fellows can't get the akas in the local Wallmart, you know?, if this is a matter of count the number of corpses then we could speak about McVeigh, 11-S, the Klan and the rest of the white trash, so unfortunately americans have the same problems with terrorism like here + a bunch of nerds hearing voices into their heads and a kalashnikov in the closet, not good. The thing is to remove the second factor in the ecuation
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