Will you dare to compare ETA or the crazy mujahidines with your long record of bitter dishwashers sellers going nuts and killing half the neighbours just because today is today?
The funny thing is you, dear Fuzzy, are some sort of dandy commie for the standard of your average american fellow citizen but you also defend this kind of gringo nonsense about weapons at home.
We are not in middle age, dude, the Godofred de Bouillon stuff is growing old
The ETA is a terrorist organization while these acts of violence in the states are done by one deranged mind, maybe the states are a feeding ground for the deranged mind, or who knows. But big acts of violence in other countries around the world are often the acts of terrorists, like ETA, IRA, Hezzbollah, Al Queda, but in the U.S. it's more of a single mind. I don't know if they are comprable in any way, but each country is not without it's violent acts, just the way they come about and are commited vary.
Why do you guys assume the shooters in america are deranged maniacs and not political/religious maniacs? The uni-bomber was an anti-tech, anti-industrialization maniac. In other words most of the so called maniacs in america had reasons, they werent just deranged, frothing at the mouth lunatics.
Only real difference between N.American lunatics and the political/religious lunatics europe has. Is theres more over there, so they've grouped-up and are organized.
America has a huge problem with bullying, racism, and stigmatizing in schools, and huge differences in economic statis, thats why they have rampages in schools. imo
Will you dare to compare ETA or the crazy mujahidines with your long record of bitter dishwashers sellers going nuts and killing half the neighbours just because today is today?
Timothy McVeigh thought he was part of a militia to combat the Federal Govt.
I will compare ETA to bitter dishwashers because, frankly, in many cases they're not better than a bunch of criminal extortionists. Same with all the Italian mafia I mentioned. They're worse than just psychos, they're psycho criminals who think they kill for a good cause.
Or maybe you prefer the German trucker who was just caught as a suspect in 19 murders...he just strangled them one at a time, I guess that's better than a shooting spree.
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The funny thing is you, dear Fuzzy, are some sort of dandy commie for the standard of your average american fellow citizen but you also defend this kind of gringo nonsense about weapons at home.
You know why? Because I own a 1945 Remington .45 M1911, a Karabiner 31, a Langgewehr '08, a Mossberg 12", and a SIG-Sauer .45. I go target shooting with them a lot, because it's fun (I don't hunt.) I also believe, and you can call me crazy for this, that democracies inevitably take rights away from their citizens, and that an armed citizenry that makes its government afraid of taking away too many rights is a citizenry that keeps rights for longer -- that's right, I want me and my neighbors to be able to shoot at the taxman or police one day when they come to tax or arrest me for having subversive thoughts, whatever. In short, I want my government to be afraid of me, not the other way around.
I don't see why you bring Godfrey de Bouillon into this -- nobody's talking about crusades, about chopping the heads off the evil Mohammedans, whatnot. But it really really astounds me that Europeans, of all people, don't understand the importance of an educated, trained, armed citizenry. The U.S. fought a revolution over TAXES, of all things. That was more than 200 years ago. Europe? Genocide, slaughter, destruction, war war war. 60 years. Don't you think it might have been a bit different if every Polish, Norwegian, Dutch, Belgian, French or Russian peasant had a Glock or a Remington in his closet that he knew how to use?
I honestly don't understand what's so damn exotic about encouraging people to learn about guns, to know how to use them, and to make sure they know how to use them before they're allowed to buy them, but that's it. Banning the fuckers isn't going to do it. I made my girlfriend turn off CNN, because they're screaming about gun control:
-Restrictions on carrying concealed weapons? Wouldn't have worked in VA unless a cop stopped the guy.
-Background checks? Wouldn't have worked in VA if the guy had no record (many psychos don't.)
-Waiting period? Wouldn't have worked in VA if the guy was really psycho.
I'm not against any of these. In fact, I think people should be encouraged to carry sidearms in hip holsters (hey, it's not concealed.) But the bullshit about guns (and video games, and society, and any other number of irrelevant things) really gets to me. If you don't want a gun, fine, I respect that, although I still think you should at least know how to use one. But don't stop me, a reasonable, intelligent, law-abiding, responsible citizen from owning one and at least having a chance of defending myself against a criminal individual or government that breaks into my living room.
And yes, Prof. Librescu is someone whose memory we should all hold in the highest respect. He was the leadership figure in a group of younger people, and sacrificed himself to give them a chance to live. I hope I am never confronted with this kind of situation, but if I am I hope I have the bravery and elán to do what he did.
Will you dare to compare ETA or the crazy mujahidines with your long record of bitter dishwashers sellers going nuts and killing half the neighbours just because today is today?
The funny thing is you, dear Fuzzy, are some sort of dandy commie for the standard of your average american fellow citizen but you also defend this kind of gringo nonsense about weapons at home.
We are not in middle age, dude, the Godofred de Bouillon stuff is growing old
Hey beaners like guns too! My great grandpa was killed in a shootout outside of Monterrey, in a place called Los Ramones (which translates to "The Ramones" wtf punx) he did however off the guy that killed him with a 1911. I got an uncle across the border that hunts, and stateside i have another beaner friend who owns a cheap ass derringer, keep in mind the dude is 17 and he bought it as a behind the pawn shop speciall, he wants a Mosin-Nagant when he turns 18 to boot.
BTW i live in Texas. Never heard of any of them "It's the law to carry a gun." law
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This is bullshit, really elaborated, but bullshit, mamma mia :lol:
Why?, because you just need to watch TV and understand why, and it will happen again, again and again till you forget all those old Daniel Boone tales and realize that there are impotent cuckolds, misfits with acne who can't deal bullying, fans fatale of Bonny & Clyde and all kind of freaks in every society, but if they can buy a M-16 so easy like a couple of condoms some day they could want the world pays their bills. I hope you are not in the receiving end of their vendetta because then you will say "screw my collection, because it is at home and I am here"
I dont favor gun control because its penalizing millions of lawabiding gun owners for the few acts of killers. That would be like banning cars because the odd nut runs people over.
Cars were not invented to kill people though. Weapons however have no other purpose but that...
Where I live it's not much of a problem, we're too poor and too fond of curses and finger lifting to buy guns lol. We did however have someone throw a F1 grenade into a crowded schoolyard. My lifelong buddy came back with a shrapnell hit that tore a hole through his backpack and books and nearly missed him. Apparently the reasons for the attack were political.
In all seriousness, guns should not belong to civilians-- they should be sold only to law enforcement or the army. But you try telling that to the CEO of Berretta or Glock.
All in all, like someone said earlier if he's on those kind of terms with life, he'll find a way to cause such a tragedy.
France? Very hard to bring guns into the country, you say? Good thing the police are unable to enter most of the cités to police this or they'd be in for a rude shock.
you're joking of course ... those are not islamic band with kalash as FOX news is saying ...
The fact that Sarkozy has suppressed the proximity police has cut the relation bewteen the police and the suburbs. Police are unable to control some area just because of that but it doesn't mean people have put checkpoint at the entry of the suburbs ...
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But it really really astounds me that Europeans, of all people, don't understand the importance of an educated, trained, armed citizenry. The U.S. fought a revolution over TAXES, of all things. That was more than 200 years ago. Europe? Genocide, slaughter, destruction, war war war. 60 years. Don't you think it might have been a bit different if every Polish, Norwegian, Dutch, Belgian, French or Russian peasant had a Glock or a Remington in his closet that he knew how to use?
Again, i hope you're joking , i thought that you were less ignorant about the difference of history/situation of europe ...
Why do you own a gun whereas your only 2 neighbourg are Canada and the other is mexico ? Owning law coming the 1776 revolution to be able to secure usa until it is a real country. Just grow up ...
Those victims are a waste, just killed by a moron but hey ! he's not considered as a terrorist so no need to discuss about guns ...
then you're probably right, people living in american societey is perhaps more psychopathe and paranoïac (more than canada from what i can see).
Too Many lives are already lost because of the terrorism(irak,algerian etc ...), but this kind of waste of life is absurd in a supposed great democraty.
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