Thoughts on Virgina Tech

[Seth_Soldier]

it's a terrible events, my condoleance to the familly. It always touch deeply especially when they had the same age as you

There is really something wrong there and i hope people will finally try to do something to stop that.
It's just become crazy ! WTH a guy have been able to shoot 30 people. How is it possible ?
I hope there will be a real debat about that and not a " css is responsible".

Some people are going to complain that the debat will certainly aim the weapons laws. But bloody hell i think it's time for america to realize that a 200 years law is no more acceptable.

Stop saying that only the guy must be blamed. Otherwise It's like you're saying that all americans are retarded and psychopathe.
If he didn't get a gun easily he will never have the idea to do this kind of massacre just to suicide him-self.
I'm sick to see such a waste just because morons need to get weapons to feel like real men.

[Real-BadSeed]

Gun availability has nothing to do with this, he could have made a bomb too, used poison, used a knife, sword, used a vehicle, arson, pushed them out windows...

If someone is bent on murder, they will find a way.

edit: the arguement could be made.. that if everyone carried a gun he wouldnt have been able to kill 30 people. He would have been shot emmediately.

[LIGHTNING [NL]]

Originally Posted by Real-BadSeed

Gun availability has nothing to do with this, he could have made a bomb too, used poison, used a knife, sword, used a vehicle, arson, pushed them out windows...

You try pushing 60 people out the windows without anyone trying to stop you...

[Real-BadSeed]

lol i knew the window analogy was pushing it

[Bikewer]

As I said originally, this is my line of work. We don't have even close to a complete picture of what went on. However, looking at what we know, it doesn't appear to me that much might have been done differently.

The original shooting at the dormitory was to all appearances a domestic shooting. In fact, a "person of interest" was the boyfriend of the deceased female. This subject was located and was being interrogated by another local police agency.
There was no reason whatever to expect that there might be further developments. The university considered "locking down" the campus, but that's a tall order too. 26,000 people on campus, and over 100 buildings.

Apparently the shooter (a S. Korean national and a student) arrived at the scene of the mass shooting 2 hours later, while classes were in session. He chained the doors to the building shut. Then began his rampage.
Although the shooting must have felt like an eternity to the victims, it probably only took a few minutes before the guy shot himself.
Meanwhile, virtually the entire police department was all the way across the rather large campus at the scene of the first shooting.
By the time there was any response of the police to the scene (and confronted with doors they could not open without tools), it was over.

Responding to such incidents is always difficult, and not as straightforward as charging in with guns blazing.
Is there more than one shooter?
Might he have booby-trapped the building? (ala Columbine)
Is this a deranged lunatic or an organized terrorist event?
and so on...

The police response to Columbine was justly criticized, but they were following established procedure. "Secure the perimeter and wait for SWAT", with their special equipment, body armor, and weapons.
This resulted in even more tragedy at Columbine, and police departments have changed their training and response to such incidents.
Now, the first four on the scene go in and attempt to engage the shooter.
(you need four for the standard "diamond" formation.)
Obviously, this was not possible at VT as they had to gain entry first.
(I saw footage of a SWAT guy carrying a large bolt-cutter)

I don't want to come across too strongly, but I wonder how many people besides the police officers are going to go "in" to such situations? We are expected to go in when everyone else is running "out".
I am fully prepared to go in and "engage" (to use the euphemism) the gunman.

[stylie]

Also, there will be alot of criticism as to why they didnt lock down V.T. The only thing that would have affected is who got killed. Inevitably, in an effort to lay blame, this will be the focus. At a university, locked down or not, there is no shortage of people. He would have found anybody to kill.

Also, please dont hold me to this, Im not sure if his name has been released, but supposedly, this is the douchebag.

http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?id=6202368&l=d1b29

[Lützow]

Originally Posted by Real-BadSeed

Gun availability has nothing to do with this, he could have made a bomb too, used poison, used a knife, sword, used a vehicle, arson, pushed them out windows...

Nothing to do with this? I don't think so.
I'm not saying it is the only reason, but it sure would have taken little more effort if he hadn't had a gun just laying in his closet.
So you suggest that maybe he had made a bomb, out of what? Some fertilizers? How many of you actually know how to make a bomb out of fertilizers? I guess it's little bit more difficult that just loading a clip and pulling the trigger.
So what else? Poison, where the hell would he get that? Last time I checked there they didn't sell nerve gas at the local supermarket. A kife or a sword? Ok, maybe he would have injured two or three people before the rest would have stopped him (It's little bit easier to fight someone with a knife that someone with a gun).

[Jusa]

Originally Posted by stylie

Also, please dont hold me to this, Im not sure if his name has been released, but supposedly, this is the douchebag.

http://vt.facebook.com/photos.php?id=6202368&l=d1b29

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/gun...696824064.html

[Siberian Soldier]

This is the killer.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266523,00.html

[[8th] Wise]

Originally Posted by Real-BadSeed

Gun availability has nothing to do with this, he could have made a bomb too, used poison, used a knife, sword, used a vehicle, arson, pushed them out windows...

If someone is bent on murder, they will find a way.

edit: the arguement could be made.. that if everyone carried a gun he wouldnt have been able to kill 30 people. He would have been shot emmediately.

Right you are; the fact is that if you have ill will, you can use just about anything as a deadly weapon. Many more gun owners are law-abiding citizens, gun control wouldn't have stopped this psycho. Bottom line, if someone wants to cause harm, they can accomplish it through all kinds of means. Case examples: 9/11 (hijacking with box cutters and airliners as aerial missiles) and Oklahoma City (ammonium nitrate and diesel truck bomb). Gun control often creates more problems, despite its intentions, i.e. gun trafficking and organized criminal elements enabling it.