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Ruhanga October 13th, 2005 04:50 AM

20 round clip for Thompson?
 
I have heard that it was used more, cause the 30 round clip was prone to malfunctioning and also 20 clip was that what brits only used for their thompson?

True or False?

pvt. Allen October 13th, 2005 04:59 AM

Re: 20 round clip for Thompson?
 
True, clips that were loaded with 30 rounds used to fall out of the weapon very often. I'm all for implementing 20 round clips and 30 round clips loaded with 20 rounds.

Bikewer October 13th, 2005 02:29 PM

Re: 20 round clip for Thompson?
 
Lets get that military terminology right....Someone will take your head off for calling that magazine a "clip"...

I always wanted to fire a thompson with the big drum magazine. Our department actually had several when I joined in '68, but they were rapidly phased out in favor of more modern weapons.

I recall from shooting the M3 "grease gun" while in the army that the 30-round magazine was a bear to load with 30. You had to use a mechanical loading device to apply enough pressure to get the last rounds in. This may explain why GIs in the field only loaded 20; easier to carry a few extra magazines that try to stuff 'em full.

Afterburner October 13th, 2005 02:57 PM

Re: 20 round clip for Thompson?
 
I doubt they were prone to falling out. The drum magazine was alot heavier and I've never heard of it falling it.

Soldiers could carry what they want when it came to ammo. I'm guessing many would pop a 30 round mag in the gun when stocking up at a depot but then carry all 20 rounders if they weren't going to be able to reach a depot for awhile.

Christian von Schalburg October 13th, 2005 03:11 PM

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Yes agreed. Another question I have is the russian ppsh being remodelled? I CERTAINLY hope so. That piece.. is spraying out bullets...

Afterburner October 13th, 2005 03:20 PM

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The PPSH sprays out bullets because thats exactly what it did...

Komrad_B October 13th, 2005 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neumann
Yes agreed. Another question I have is the russian ppsh being remodelled? I CERTAINLY hope so. That piece.. is spraying out bullets...

What do you mean? That it should be more accurate? Certainly!

USMA2010 October 13th, 2005 08:14 PM

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Yeah, they way nerfed that thing for .65. Its effictive range, meaning the distance at which as soldier could hit his mark 50% of the time (forget target size) was 200 yards. It may have been large and heavy, but it was very accurate.

And yes, 30 round magazine would fall out.

Heydude235 October 13th, 2005 08:17 PM

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i say keep it 30. I want all the ammo i can get

wgrosz October 13th, 2005 08:28 PM

Re: 20 round clip for Thompson?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by <StG>Nighthawk
I doubt they were prone to falling out. The drum magazine was alot heavier and I've never heard of it falling it.

The 20 and 30 rd magazines are prone to falling out. That is why when you see someone load a magazine of that type onto a Thompson they slap the bottom of the magazine up with the palm of their hand. This is intended to make sure the magazine would not fall out; it is also a procedure that the Tec. manual for the smg recommends. The reason you never heard of a drum magazine falling out of the Thompson is that the M1928A1 version was designed to hold either the drum or the stick magazine. Whereas the M1A1 version that was design in WWII was only setup to take the stick magazine. The M1928A1 has a slot where the drum is slide in sideways onto the smg whereas the stick is push up and is only held in place by a small tab. I know this because I have experienced a magazine fall right off of it while firing. Also most soldiers in the field only loaded 28 rounds into the 30 rd magazine because the magazine spring tended to become weak after extend periods of time loaded out completely.

pvt. Allen October 13th, 2005 09:55 PM

Re: 20 round clip for Thompson?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikewer
Lets get that military terminology right....Someone will take your head off for calling that magazine a "clip"...

I always wanted to fire a thompson with the big drum magazine. Our department actually had several when I joined in '68, but they were rapidly phased out in favor of more modern weapons.

I recall from shooting the M3 "grease gun" while in the army that the 30-round magazine was a bear to load with 30. You had to use a mechanical loading device to apply enough pressure to get the last rounds in. This may explain why GIs in the field only loaded 20; easier to carry a few extra magazines that try to stuff 'em full.

Yes, sorry in this moment I recalled that clip is for egzample a M1 Garand magazine, just a mistake.:uhoh:
Quote:

I doubt they were prone to falling out. The drum magazine was alot heavier and I've never heard of it falling it.

Soldiers could carry what they want when it came to ammo. I'm guessing many would pop a 30 round mag in the gun when stocking up at a depot but then carry all 20 rounders if they weren't going to be able to reach a depot for awhile.
I assure you that 30 round magazines were falling out of the weapon, mechanism handeling Thompson's magazine wasn't enough strong to prevent this from happening. But I don't know what was happening to drum magazines.

Bikewer October 14th, 2005 12:13 PM

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I imagine that the drum magazine didn't see much military use due to it's complexity. To load, you had to remove the cover, load the cartridges into little slots, replace the cover, and then wind the powerful spring with an attached lever.
Doing this in combat in mud, sand, etc. would have been interesting, to say the least. Very popular on the streets of Chicago, however.

Artie Bucco October 14th, 2005 05:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bikewer
I imagine that the drum magazine didn't see much military use due to it's complexity. To load, you had to remove the cover, load the cartridges into little slots, replace the cover, and then wind the powerful spring with an attached lever.
Doing this in combat in mud, sand, etc. would have been interesting, to say the least. Very popular on the streets of Chicago, however.

photographic evidence sugggest otherwise. They were common throughout most of the Africa campaign and the early pacific.

cc. October 15th, 2005 08:42 AM

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go for 20. realism first in my opinion.

pvt. Allen October 15th, 2005 09:10 AM

Re: 20 round clip for Thompson?
 
It would be nice if there would be possibility to load your 30 round magazine with 20 rounds wich would be safe or with 30 rounds and 60% chance of falling out while moving, more when jumping, etc...


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