The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/02/news_6132476.html?gmRedir=
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Basically a MMORPG where you play as a Chinese soldier during WWII and you fight the invading Japanese soldiers (which the devs made them uglier to demonize them).
You can only play as the Chinese.

Yuck!

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

That's lame..

How bitter they are?

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

I know many games in wich we can only play has allied soldiers...

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Oooh...

Sounds like fun!

Not.

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

Yeah except those games honour Allied soldiers rather than demonizing the Germans...

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Silly patrioctic natonalists, when are they gonna learn. :vikki:

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An allied soldier is executed in MoH:Frontline, that is pretty demonising in my book. I hate to play Devil's advocate here but the Japanese atrocoties in China equal if not exceed the one's made by the German's in Europe.

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Yeah seeing Japan have kinda 'denied' the rape of Nanking, which in my opinion is one of the most disgraceful things you can possibly do. As far as I know, the only thing the Japanese do admit is that 'something' happened in Nanking. Japanese WAR attrocities were as bad as Nazi attrocities in my opinion (Of course there was nothing on the scale of the Holocaust or Euthanasia campaigns). Still, I think you're making this seem slightly out of proportion. Look at games like 'Return to Castle Wolfenstein' - this shows german soldiers allied with demons and what not, I guess you could claim that they're only demonizing the nazis. But you could also claim the same with this game, saying that it is only demonizing imperialism.

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you are all forgeting one thing IT A GAME nothing lest nothing more

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Well, that's the thing - it is a game but it's going to be played my young impressionable teenagers. It would be like constantly feeding young Americans (with not much in the way of a knowledge of history) the Medal of Honor series... they would grow up always thinking the Germans/Italians/Japanese were, and still are, the bad guys.

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http://forums.filefront.com/images/s.../confusedx.gif wait and see!!!
we will see how they considered the chinese army of tchang kai tchek http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif . If it is a real game or just propaganda ...

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The game will likely suck, it'll just be full of propaganda.

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It's not a game, it's a truckload of anti-japanese propaganda.

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Oh really? Couldn't tell.

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I guess the game area will be limited to communist controlled zones in north eastern china.

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i would bye it

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

guys lets not forget that EVERY country involved in WW2 did some kind of war crime.

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Beh I can understand why the Chinse hate us Japs so much, but to make a game about it? Seems rather stupid and immature to me to express your hate in that kind of fashion, taking advantage of the youth's undeveloped mind.

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hehe, reminds me off the Chinese version of Red Alert 2

China gets the GI units with the ability to bunker down, only called PLA and the americans get conscripts. Plus lots more 'teamstacking'.

/yes, the chinese got those uber korean fighter planes.

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Nice generalization. Forgive us young Americans for not knowing as much about history as the youth of the rest of the world.

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i just dont see how a game call make people hate aother countrey i mean look at the PS2 game call Americans 10 most wanted it dosent make me hate any one elsehttp://imagestore.prismdirect.co.uk/...x250/t0298.jpg

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

well thats cuz americas ten most wanted are people the world doesnt care if they die.

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most of the people are middle esten so people could say it is sperding hate to the middle esten people

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We all know at least part of what the Nazi Germans and the Japanese did. But all sides commited atrocities at one time or the other.
Russia invaded Poland at the same time Nazi Germany did.
The USA dropped their nukes over two Japanese cities as if they lacked military targets to attack first.
The British bombed the city of Dresden while it was almost completely undefended (German fighters landed with no fuel supply, no AA artillery, almost no ground forces).
Etc. etc.

So imagine a pacific map for BF called "Shoot Down the USA Pilots", even if the USA had chances to win the map, I think the feeling wouldn't be too different from this chinese Anti-Japan shit. The name is very important, and yeah, it's only a game, but when games are biased like this they are good for nothing. The world is full of idiots, and it's no good to make idiots get too excited with silly territorialism, even if it's just a game.

And that America's 10 Most Wanted crap isn't the ten most wanted american criminals, it's the ten most wanted non-caucasian criminals, subtle but big difference.

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You shouldn't claim these as atrocities...
I'm not sure why Russia invading Poland would be an atrocity either...but whatever.

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Oops, sorry, bad wording there, specially about Russia and Poland yeah, what I meant was that no side was nothing but goodness and disinterested actions.

Anyways, I won't take back the word atrocities from Hiroshima and Nagasaki nor Dresden, and I don't mean to be rude, but if you don't see why burning 100,000 persons to cinders in one second and making 100,000 more die irradiated, or bombing defenseless citizens as atrocities, then what would it take to use that word, soldiers eating raped babies sacrificed to Satan?

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I got tired of those controversies but here's a few thread you can look at:

For the Atomic Bomb:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...c+bomb&start=0

For Dresden:
Military Targets
USAF Historical Analysis of the 14-15 February 1945 Bombings of Dresden
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=304620#304620
Surface and subterranean petroleum, oil and lubricant facilities in the Dresden area
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=395916#395916
"Undefended city"
flak defenses of Dresden
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=605942#605942
air defenses of Dresden
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=611088#611088
War crimes and Dresden
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=611088#611088
review of Dresden arguments
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=606684#606684
why it wasn't a war crime
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=608671#608671
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=608983#608983

For extensive discussions of this subject, see (among other threads):

Dresden bombing & post-liberation Euro gas chambers
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=33480
Can the bombing of cities be considered as "Warcrimes"?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=9136
Dresden 1945
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=1000
Dresden 1945
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=4838
Bombing of Dresden
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=20370
Destruction of Dresden
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=43901
Dresden photos
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=27506
Churchill & Harris Terror Raids
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=29691
Debate over UK WWII strategic bombing
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=25898
Terror bombing -- The Nazis started it
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=25592
US Strategic Bombing Survey (Europe) on bombing accuracy
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?p=395939#395939
Carpet-bombing towns and cities
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=44286
Dresden Bombing 14-15 Feb 1945 Questions
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=67776

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

You folks missed the point. For all it's new market explosion, China remains a completely totalitarian government, and is NOT a free society by any stretch of the imagination. Don't be fooled by a little social loosening up, NOTHING happens in China that is not known or approved by the hardline Marxist/Maoist regime or their apparatchiks.There is no true free market or competition, it just looks that way because the bosses have allowed it. So the game was not created in an open, competitve market by entrepreneurs who think they have a cool idea that Chinese gamers (there's a near-oxymoron!) will love. Instead, they were allowed to put out the game, so long as it had the Oficially Approved Historical Line. Thus the demonizing. Not this "when-are-nationalists-gonna-learn" Star Federation kumbaya crap.

Now, that said, it WOULD be hard to exaggerate how brutal and savage the Japanese were in China. As badly and criminally as the Western prisoners were treated, there was no comparison to how all non-Japanese Asians were treated by Nippon.

And the galling thing is the Japanese, even today, officially act like nothing happened. Geez, at least the Germans have at least pretended to admit their guilt in empowering Hitler and permitting him to commit genocide and force a world into war.

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WTF!? Who the hell is teaching you people? Do you truly think you get any wisp of the truth from something like "A People's HistoryOf The United States" ?

There were only two countries in WW2 that made war of unprovoked aggression, and systemized rapine, looting and killing of civilians A MATTER OF NATIONAL POLICY: Germany and Japan (an argument could be made for the USSR to be included with the state-sponsored and endorsed brutalitry to civilians; and also that Japan didn 't make outright genocide an actual goal, but they did see themselves as racial "supermen"). Do you truly see no distinction in numbers of atrocities commited or innocent persons victimized? Can you truly not distinguish individual acts of atrocity from systenized programs? There is no comparison, so let;s stop with the "we're all guilty" postmodernist tripe and start thinking clearly.

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I would like to bring up that in China the War is known as.

Chinese People's Anti-Japanese War of Resistanc
Anti-Japanese War of Resistance
War of Resistance
Eight Years' War of Resistance

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

A People's History of the United States is a very informative book, and besides that, everything in it is fact and is backed up by sources. Have you even read it or did DrudgeReport and Fox News tell you not to?

Was there any military objective of bombing Dresden? No. Did it achieve anything militarily? No.

I'm not saying we're worst than the Nazis or the Japanese. Is anyone? But to say we're not guilty at all is pure ignorance.

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Oh STFU.

I am tired of having this argument with twits like you who dont bother to look up historical facts.

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http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...smiley-004.gif
You da man, A-11.

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Oh, yeah, "sources". That sure makes me trust the hate-filled propaganda of a lifelong Marxist who has openly admitted his disdain for America, and said that Stalin and Mao were great, enlightened leaders, if you overlook the 30 million or so people they executed. Bud, Hitler had "sources" for his claims in Mein Kampf. But I don't suppose they quibble with that arouind San Francisco anymore.

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

Oh for fucks sake guys, I'm not saying the Allies were some sort of monsters, nor say they were even a hundred miles close to the kind of thing the Axis forces did. Do you think I don't know all the shit the Nazis and the Japanese did and how badly they needed to be stopped? I'm quite aware that the germans bombed civilian targets first, not only before the RAF pilots were risking their asses just to drop some miserable leaflets over the invaded countries, but also before WWII in Guernica. And I know they were trying to develop the atomic bomb before the allies did, but does that make using the same methods right, just because you're using them against those who used them first? Do you hear me criticizing the bombings of ploiesti, or the Ruhr dams? There were civilians working in the german factories, but I'm not complaining about them, there was a damn reason behind those bombings. The allied bombers also killed a lot of french and belgian civilians, but did I mentioned that? NO, that was just bad organization, accidents, we can't blame them for missing a railroad or a bridge and hitting a church instead, not under the conditions they had to bomb their targets, I mean, they even hitted other bombers flying underneath them sometimes, so that's reasonable. But when you bomb a city and kill as many or even more women and children than the number of soldiers you would have lost trying to capture it, then it seems like an unfair trade to me. If you don't agree, well ok, we can discuss things or just ignore each other if that makes you happy, but don't say I'm talking bullshit just because you disagree, the facts are there, and the only argument possible is if they were justified or not, if more people would have been killed in an invasion of Japan than with the bombs, or if Japan wouldn't have still surrendered if the bombs had been dropped over military targets instead of cities, are just "What Ifs", so all we can do is take assumptions about it.

And you Anlushac, if a mod gives me a STFU and calls me a twit, how am I supposed to reply? I didn't insulted anyone nor said anything that isn't true, Nukes, dropped either by the the US, the Nazis, or by fricking god himself, are an atrocity, a whole city crisped in a second, thousands more dieing afterwards due to the radiation, etc. Perhaps it was the only way to go, but still only terror tactics.

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

well what would have happened if the axis won the war? tried our leaders for spreading capitalism? tried allied troops for incidents like killing axis POWs? japanese tried american soldiers for the things they did to the japanese in the pacific? we can never know and i think that this topic is too contriversial and should be closed.

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

Have you read the book? The book is not about communism, it only offers a different perspective of America. Can you back up the claims made that Howard Zinn has said that Stalin and Mao were great?

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One of these days the Chinese are going to get back at us poor Japs, probably invade our tiny little island and exterminate us all like we did to them, all because of our stupid goverment (aka The Yakuza) and probably 1/4 of the populus didn't want to admit that we did something wrong.

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There was an IMMENSE reason for dropping the Nukes on Japan.

The casualties for an invasion of Japan was estimated in the MILLIONS for America alone. Thats not countring the hundered of thosands of Japanese who would have either fought to the death or have been force to commit suicide.

If we hadn't dropped the bombs then there would have been atleast twice the casualties of Americans for the entire war.

As for this game all I have to say is LOL

The really funny part is it might acually have good gameplay for all we knowhttp://www.gamingforums.com/images/smilies/smilie.gif

Re: The Chinese are making a game called "Anti-Japan War Online"
 

thousands of japanese? try millions of japanese, british, and americans. if you are from any of those countries and your grandpa served in the pacific there is a good chance you might not be there. my friends grandpa was an american GI and would have been in the first wave. the first wave would have been competely wiped out.

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The Japanese already knew that the US was able to attack their island, the Dolittle raid was enough to prove that, so dropping the bombs above some nearby island could have had a similar persuasive effect, like warning them "Next time it'll be Tokyo", but as I said it's all just especulations, I can't be sure it would have worked without killing the people of Hiroshima, and you guys can't be sure it wouldn't have worked anyways without all the deaths.

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Yeah for all they knew it could have been a trick by the Americans using lights or something. The Doolittle raid proved we could strike in the heart of Japan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki proved we could strike and kill the heart of Japan along with every square meter of land. If the Japs didn't surrender when they did another bomb was being planned for Kyoto and Tokyo.

Hiroshima was acually a millitary target making the civilian casualities technically collateral. There was a garrison of about 4000 soldiers there if I'm not mistaken, plus it was a legitmate industrial target being that just about every single house was being used for cottage industry.

Last I recall the American casualties would have been something like 2-3 million, along with the 5 or so million casualties for the Japs. And also lets not forgot the Russians who would probaly have invaded a bit after us. Along with the hundereds, if not thosands, of American POWs. not to mention the likely last ditch , all out, attacks by Japan on civilian populations of China and even the continental U.S.

Total casualties on all sides could have easily gone over 10 million.

Total casualties for the war as it went are somewhere between 60 million and 90 million. So if an invasion of Japan had gone through it could have been as much as 100 million or more, the estimates of the dead would have amounted to somewhere between 10% and 20% of total casualties for the entire war. Then there are the wounded. Thosands more would have died after the war because of wounds.

It's been shown statistically speaking that the number of casualties for your average war has dropped something like 80 or 90%(please someone correct me if I'm wrong) due to the fact that there hasn't been a war on the scale of WWII.It's been attributed to the fact that any war between major powers has a good chance of ending in nuclear winter and everyone knows it.

As long as we don't get too inflamed I think this is a perfectly legitamate
topic.

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This is my angle on the dropping of the atomic bombs yes the casualties from the invasion would have been absurd for the alliers. But keep in mind, the whole island chain that is Japan would have been under siege. Japan was at the time having food shortages. Any extended siege of Japan would have set off a famine that would have killed way more than the two A-bombs

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What I'd like to know is, how come the ones that are complaining about this game don't complain about that games that are about fighting the Communist Russians?

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Something that those Extremists (not nationalists anymore) should remember is that to forgive but not to forgot. If the Japs denied, then so be them, because the truth is always there despite how many stupid bullshit the government is sprouting.

Political game is just as lame as propaganda for idiots.

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anyone feel as though all attention is now migrating from the middle East to China?
take a guess where the next war will be?

this is a faggoty world of power hungry, idiotic, greedy, self applauding, closed minded fools.

instead of building more tanks and bombs and planes and blah blah blah, we should be uniting to get the arse off this rock. Then america can have it all to themselves as this seems the way they want to go.
I'm sorry to the US people on here, I like you all, but your system and government laws have mutated beyond the perfect words you once protected into something far more evil and warmongering. And before you spit, you are not the only country on the planet that do this, China is rumbling like a volcano waiting for a fight, we don't know why, but it will happen, national defense means nothing, world defense and expansion should mean everything.

sorry to offend anyone. I unlike some posters am open to reason, so feel free to meet me at the middle gorund.

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My thoughts exactly. I can only imagine what kinds of games we'd have had if gaming technology as exists today had existed in the 60s and 70s.

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Now I take offense that you belive we are trying to take over the world.

In the past 100 years I believe the only war we have fought over territory has been the Spanish-American war. And we gave the Fillipinos their freedom. The war in Iraq isn't over territory, neither was Vietnam or Desert Storm, or the Korean war or the war in Bosnia.

All of our wars from WWI onward have been about 1 of 4 things.

Preserving democracy in an already free state, stoping the spread of Communism, for our own saftey(albeit we now know there wasn't a threat) or to stop a humanitarian crisis.

I'll leave off with a sobering quote.

"Only the dead have seen the end of the war." - Plato

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Yeah your country should be sanctified :lol: http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif

Territory is nothing today. Power comes from economy and diplomatic control. By aiding people, you know they'll be forced to be your bitches for the years to come, and this is the sole reasons why your government helps them (and not only your governement, look at how many people are angry at the french because they won't help you in a war they don't support http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif ). Look at Irak, its in the middle of the middle east, it is filled with oil and it has borders with increasingly unstable Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria. All countries that are potentially hostile. The fact that Iraquis were living under a dictatorship (a situation billions of humans endure each day) meant nothing for your government. The furthering of your country's national interest was, and will always be what will count. It is the same for every country, you just need to admit it. During the cold war communism was "evil" because it was a menace, not a menace to the free world, but a menace to your national interests.